Oregon Anti's

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  1. Chukar

    Chukar SILVER SUPPORTER AH Senior Member

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    I just hear about this bill in Oregon on the radio today. Apparently the metropolitan areas are up in arms because the rural folks had a coyote hunting competition. The rural folks even had the gall to offer up prizes to the hunters.

    The proposed bill:

    https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB723

    I'm anything from a legal scholar but things just read stupid in this bill.

    Line 2:
    Relating to unlawful takings of wildlife; and declaring an emergency.

    What unlawful taking of wildlife? Coyotes are a legally hunted species with no limit applied.

    Emergency? I'm a bit slow, but I don't see an emergency situation here.

    The bill covers furry critters but no mention of the fishes. Are they unaware that countless fishing derby's are conducted statewide? They even offer prizes. Maybe the fish don't count because they aren't cuddly.

    SECTION 3. This 2019 Act being necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health and safety, an emergency is declared to exist, and this 2019 Act takes effect on its passage.

    What the what? Where is disturbance of public peace, public health and safety?

    These people have lost their minds.....
     

  2. sestoppelman

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    Democrats with too much time on their hands. Some of the new gun bills in OR are astonishing, same here in WA state. Just nuckin' futz!
     

  3. Chukar

    Chukar SILVER SUPPORTER AH Senior Member

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    Yeah you folks up north have some wacko's also. It's astonishing what they come up with.
     
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    sestoppelman AH ENABLER AH Ambassador

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    Huh! Whackos you say?? LOL! From our libtard Gov to the whole of state govt, our moronic, anti gun, weasel faced Attorney General and on and on. All lunatic lefties!
     

  5. putter97127

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    What's worse is hearing "hunters" from Portland being interviewed on the news saying how terrible disgusting coyote contest are. Go tell that to the rancher who loses calves or lambs ($$) every year to an over abundance of coyotes. I'm thinking the people that are trying to make a living raising livestock may just have a different point of view.

    It's getting a little scary in Oregon unless you are a far left Progressive. The Portland and Eugene areas dominate our politics. The ultra liberal left now have a super majority in Salem. Unfortunately I think this is only the beginning. There is another bill floating around that, if passed, would pretty much kill gun ownership here.... All firearms will need to be registered, limits on ammo purchases to 20 rounds per month. Background checks to buy ammo. It's sad. My family has lived in Oregon since the 1850's. Until the last couple of years, I would never of considered leaving, but now... The truth is, the "normal" people outside of the metro areas will never have enough population to beat the crazies...
     
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  6. sestoppelman

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    Its the same here. From the Columbia to B.C, on I-5, its nothing but libtards, with Olympia, Tacoma, Seattle and Everett, all the way to college town Bellingham. And everything in between, nothing but lefties anymore. When I moved here to Skagit county in '89, it was still just plain folk hard working farm country. Last couple of elections tell a different story now. Sad.
     
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  7. Bullthrower338

    Bullthrower338 AH ENABLER AH Legend

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    20 rounds per month! How would they like it if they were limited to how much kale they could eat!
     
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    The Dems have a super majority and a very liberal Governor. I expect the coyote bill to pass. With that said, I expect the gun bill not to pass as it currently stands, however I do expect some sort of gun legislation in this legislative session.

    It's fargin sick in this state right now.

    I don't know how many times I have heard people say their vote doesn't matter or that there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans... well here is your wake up call!
     

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    Keep the faith sir. Tell those folks all votes count!
     
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  10. Hunter4752001

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    The Oregon farmers could easily fix the problem by selling the entirety of their produce either interstate or overseas. Any doctor can tell you that you don't cure a parasite infestation by feeding it.
     
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    HERE HERE.
     
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    How do you really feel bud...:ROFLMAO:
     
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    I really don't care one way or the other, but I do see one legitimate argument for this ban.

    Wild animals are owned by the government. The states set the season, limits, methods, and the law on how people can profit from animals (selling pelts, ability to sell mounted animals, etc). I think the government absolutely has the right to step in and say you can not have an unauthorized competition with payouts on wildlife.

    I kinda get that argument. Again, I don't care, just saying...
     

  14. flatwater bill

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    What law addresses how people can profit from wild animals? Hunting them, yes. But pelt prices are not established by the Govt. Nor are the price of wildlife photos. I see nothing in my state regs addressing profits from wild animals. Perhaps Oregon is different. Well, I know Oregon is different. ..........and some of you AH guys are too insensitive....these Greenies and Snowflakes were upset......some couldn't drink their lattes, and threatened to Unfriend us on Facebook. Some even needed tissues.....FWB
     

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    Missouri Dept of Conservation dictates what can be sold. I'm sure it varies by state
     

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    Hold an end of year banquet and honour the hunter with the most tails, longest shot, rookie of the year, oldest hunter or something like that. It's really not hard to think of ways of doing what they were trying to achieve without sticking a big lightning rod up their arse.
     
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  17. IdaRam

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    I imagine every state is a little bit different regarding the sale of legally taken wildlife and parts thereof. In many states part of the comprehensive management strategy of wildlife includes the provision for the taking of predators and furbearers and allowing hunters and trappers to sell those furs to offest the expense they incur in the taking of those animals. Really doesn’t matter if someone sells a coyote to a fur buyer or gets paid in a coyote derby does it? Coyote Derbys have been an annual event in many places for decades.
    Here in Idaho our undulates, mule deer, whitetail deer, elk and moose are really struggling. Two years ago we had our hundred-year winter. It really took its toll on the deer primarily, and to a small degree elk. Herds that are already depleted due to a heavy predator load are slow to recover. Many of us have been saying for two decades now that it is just a matter of time before we reach the tipping point. Well, I believe we will look back and say the late twenty-teens is when we really hit that tipping point.
    I have several friends who are taxidermists and know some other folks in the wild game processing business. Two of the game processors have told me the number of deer and elk they took in this year was down 50% from last year. One of the taxidermists business in whitetail deer is down more than 50%.
    I believe when the harvest numbers and success reports come out for this past year we will see a distinct drop in many regions.
    Oregon is struggling with many of the same things that Idaho is. And the wolves are just getting started there. Same with Washington.
    Where I’m going with this; Coyote numbers are difficult to control without the use of poison. In many places coyotes are under hunted and over populated. At least out here in the west. They are kinda like blackberry brambles, ain’t no getting rid of them ya just have to keep pruining them back! And coyotes kill far more deer than most people realize. Coyote derbys get people excited and get them out hunting.
    Add increasing mountain lion and wolf numbers and Oregon has a real problem. So does Idaho, we’re just ten years ahead of Oregon.
    Coyote derbys, trapping, hound hunting, baiting, predator hunting in general, etc... they are all top of the list. Then will come hunting in general because the predator numbers have grown to the point that game numbers are not sustainable and not adequate to support a hunting season. This is the future...
     
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    idaram,

    pretty well put, and unfortunately, i think you are right
     

  19. putter97127

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    @IdaRam, I think you hit the nail on the head. Thank you. Unfortunately, I think that this is just the beginning
     

  20. cagkt3

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    Not sure about the hunt up there, but Texas has some pretty large varmint competitions. Most winners are not handing over their animals - i.e. not profiting from the animal itself. If you wish to sell furs, you have to have a permit from the state. They are simply participating in a competition where all prize money is put up by the hunter's themselves. No different if a group of guys have a friendly wager on who shoots the biggest deer during the season, or (as someone else pointed) out a fishing tournament.

    If states want to control these competitions, they can implement a season on coyotes. Texas has no season (meaning you can hunt all year long, not that they are off limits), and there is no bag limit - either daily or possession limits.
     

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