Agreed. I've owned many model 21s and a few fox and parkers. Not even close. America was a backwater town and the goal was to make a durable tool knowing no gunsmith could be found for a 1000 miles. So the guns are heavy and crude, no better example than John Olin's 21. Meanwhile the Brits were making guns that adhered to Greener's rule of 96 where you'd find 20 gauges at 5.5lbs. So yeah, 5.5lb 20 bore beats 7lb machine made model 21 in same gauge every day. I've had them all. There's a reason why British guns are the most expensive scatterguns in the world...they are priced correctly! All kidding aside, a used and no longer collector British boxlock is the best value in bird guns. Balance, quality, finish. Sublime.