New double coming out but not what you think

[steve white]

Ahh blew my double money on a Baikal 45.70 yesterday........ohh well no 44 mag for me...... Just proves should check in here daily

Well, 45-70 is more powerful. Did you get it in SXS or O/U?

 

[steve white]

Why only .44 Magnum instead of .444 Marlin or otherwise more powerful cartridges? Perhaps it is only marketing of a double rifle in a popular cartridge? Or perhaps it is due to the strength of the action and various cartridges' Bolt Thrust.

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Here as simple as it gets explantion of bolt thrust.

Bolt thrust - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I do not know if the Pedersoli action is strong enough to safely market (sell) in more powerful cartridges, i.e. those that produce higher levels of bolt thrust. If the action is indeed strong enough for more powerful cartridges, then perhaps after teh market is saturated with these rifles in .44 Magnum, Pedersoli might offer something more powerful, perhaps.

Nevertheless, a .44 Magnum double rifle would be a fun little rifle to shoot and hunt whitetails within reasonable ranges.

Fbolt is bolt thrust.
The table below lists bolt thrust produced of various cartridges.
The .44 Magnum produces 29,069 Fbolt, while the .303 British produces 35,352.

The excerpt didn't provide the Fbolt for a .444 Marlin but.

• 444 Marlin produces 51,500 max chamber pressure in psi
• 44 Magnum produces 40,600 psi

Simple math reveals the Fbolt of a .444 Marlin would be 44,794.

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Looks like the 303 as well as the 7.62X39 would be in range pressure wise, and the 303 a better choice overall?

 

[steve white]

I hear ya... I've had to do that a few times myself!

Russ

Now, you and Journey are making two tactical errors: 1. save a slush fund the missus doesn't know about, 2. asking forgiveness is easier than asking permission!

PS--you could try organizing the gun safe to hide purchases for as long as possible, then refer to #2

 

[Odinsraven]

Well, 45-70 is more powerful. Did you get it in SXS or O/U?

SBS have ou in 223 30.06 and 9.3x74r. Singles in 222 223 243 30.06.
Have a double coming in 7.62x54r SBS.
And a combi in 12g 30.06

But they are cheap in Europe as cannot be exported. I hang around the cheap auctions.

 

[leslie hetrick]

Now, you and Journey are making two tactical errors: 1. save a slush fund the missus doesn't know about, 2. asking forgiveness is easier than asking permission!

PS--you could try organizing the gun safe to hide purchases for as long as possible, then refer to #2

and when you buy a new firearm, carry it in backwards, so if she see,s you, just tell her your going to sell one.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Now, you and Journey are making two tactical errors: 1. save a slush fund the missus doesn't know about, 2. asking forgiveness is easier than asking permission!

PS--you could try organizing the gun safe to hide purchases for as long as possible, then refer to #2

Yes. I’ve found #1 works the best with no drama. But #2 will work as a backup and NEVER EVER ask permission first or you’ll be subject to the game of “20 questions” and it may not end well. LOL

 

[Journey]

Now, you and Journey are making two tactical errors: 1. save a slush fund the missus doesn't know about, 2. asking forgiveness is easier than asking permission!

PS--you could try organizing the gun safe to hide purchases for as long as possible, then refer to #2

Haha I just told my wife I would sell a few when I bought a 416 rigby....... no guns sold haha

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Yes. I’ve found #1 works the best with no drama. But #2 will work as a backup and NEVER EVER ask permission first or you’ll be subject to the game of “20 questions” and it may not end well. LOL

@CoElkHunter
Women folk don't know how to ask a simple question. It has to be more like a Spanish inquisition. No matter what answer you give it won't be right.
I have found when my wife asks a question I just say tell me the answer you want. She doesn't ask may questions now.
Bob

 

[dgr416]

No offense but that's what the old folks used to call "where two fools met--him for offering too cheap and you for refusing."

The 405 double sold really quick it was awesome oak case from 1910 and rifle built the same time .I offered him asking price 3600 he didnt get back to me then was sold in two days .

 

[Longrifle]

There is a new double rifle coming out this year but not usual dgr caliber its a 44 mag .Pedersloi is making a cool little double barrel 44 mag with a rail for a rail on it .It has double triggers .I wish one in 405 win would come out or 375 winchester .It will be cool hope its not priced too high no telling these days .

A DR in .405 Win would be my vote. Such a cool straight wall cartridge. I had a Ruger #1 Tropical in .405. It helped finance my first DR.

 

[Albert GRANT]

A DR in .405 Win would be my vote. Such a cool straight wall cartridge. I had a Ruger #1 Tropical in .405. It helped finance my first DR.

Here you go. No ties to this or the seller, just happened to see it.

BOXLOCK EJECTOR DOUBLE RIFLE IN 405 WINCHESTER BY - Poulin Auctions

BOXLOCK EJECTOR DOUBLE RIFLE IN 405 WINCHESTER BY - POULIN ANTIQUES & AUCTIONS, INC.

bid.poulinauctions.com

 

[Longrifle]

Here you go. No ties to this or the seller, just happened to see it.

BOXLOCK EJECTOR DOUBLE RIFLE IN 405 WINCHESTER BY - Poulin Auctions

BOXLOCK EJECTOR DOUBLE RIFLE IN 405 WINCHESTER BY - POULIN ANTIQUES & AUCTIONS, INC.

bid.poulinauctions.com

Go figure.

 

[analog_peninsula]

I've seen a number of the 405 doubles come up for sale, and I think all of them were Belgian/Continental. If you think about it, it was nearly the perfect caliber for driven game (boar, red deer) shooting in the pre suppressor / straight pull era in which they were made.

 

[dgr416]

Yes the 405 win is a classic double round just hardly anyone knows it .It has alot of knockdown power with 400 grain bullets .Its not so much recoil either .

 

[steve white]

Anybody ever bring the 405 into the 21st century by upgrading with premium bullets?

 

[Journey]

Anybody ever bring the 405 into the 21st century by upgrading with premium bullets?

Haven't done it..... but loading these hammer bullets is on my list.

.411 Cal-326gr Stone Hammer® - Hammer Bullets

This pure copper hunting bullet was designed with the 405 Winchester in mind. It will feed well in the lever guns as well as work in the single shots and bolt rifles. The 405 Winchester should have no trouble getting these to about 2200 fps for a hard hitting do all combination.

hammerbullets.com

 

[Woodcarver]

Yes the 405 win is a classic double round just hardly anyone knows it .It has alot of knockdown power with 400 grain bullets .Its not so much recoil either .

That one might have a bit of kick to it if the spec of 6lb 11oz is correct. That's pretty light for a 405Win.

 

[PerH]

Anybody ever bring the 405 into the 21st century by upgrading with premium bullets?

I saw Buffalo Bore load 350 CEB mono solid in .405 Win

 

[Longrifle]

My No. 1 was really easy on the shoulder. It was around 8lbs. with the heavy Tropical barrel on it. It handled and pointed instinctively. I used Hornady DGX 300 gr. which were the only factory loads available at the time. Dillon did not even have a caliber conversion for it.

 

[dgr416]

My No. 1 was really easy on the shoulder. It was around 8lbs. with the heavy Tropical barrel on it. It handled and pointed instinctively. I used Hornady DGX 300 gr. which were the only factory loads available at the time. Dillon did not even have a caliber conversion for it.

You can shoot 41 mag bullets out of 405 win 2800 fps with 210 gr hornady xtp .I used the fmj ones hornady use to make in my 405 .My 1895 with a slip on limbsaver does not kick to me its super fun to shoot .I want starline to make 405 brass hornday brass sucks totally in new brass buckles its too soft .I do want to try 400 gr bullets in my 405 win they should be awesome .If Osa Johnson 5 foot 110 pounds can shoot 405 win anyone can too .