Montana Rifle Company Safari Elite

Andrew Short

Silver supporter
AH elite
Joined
Jul 9, 2020
Messages
1,052
Reaction score
1,061
Location
Jasper Alabama
Media
8
Hunting reports
Africa
3
Mex/S.Amer
1
Member of
Lifetime member NRA
Most of you know that I bought an MRC African in 404 Jeffery. I’m having the dealer do some upgrades like barrel band, thread cap, and file down the sling stud and haven’t taken delivery. The gun is plain and is a no thrills rifle for lack of a better term.
I’ve been looking hard at the Heym Martini and this MRC Safari elite. In my opinion; the two are not apples to apples but this is reflected in price. We all know MRC is closed but with “plans to reopen soon “ per my dealer.

My question is, if you could upgrade to the safari elite with engraving and XXX walnut would you?

D22B16B9-1824-49CC-B4C1-49B84D1D49EB.jpeg
 

Red Leg

Lifetime bronze benefactor
AH ambassador
Joined
May 19, 2009
Messages
7,348
Reaction score
23,205
Location
Texas Hill Country
Media
324
Articles
5
Hunting reports
Africa
3
USA/Canada
5
Mex/S.Amer
1
Europe
4
Member of
SCI DSC life memberships / NRA Patron Life
Hunted
Mexico, Namibia, RSA, Zambia, Germany, Austria, Argentina, Canada, Mozambique, Spain, US (15 states)
Personally, I am not a big fan of a lot of gold on a rifle or a shotgun. I really think the Brits and Germans got it right respectively with the understated elegance of Rose & Scroll and oak leaves perfectly framed into case coloring or rust blue. A highlighting line of gold works with that sort of thing.

The other issue is that the gold demands attention. Great work can indeed look fabulous. Less than great work looks merely garish. This is a piece of Jim Blair's work. https://www.jimblairengraving.com/ I think it is exceptional. The buffalo above - well, let's just say, somewhat less so. :unsure:

engraving Jim Blair.JPG

A great piece of walnut is a wonderful thing. Just make sure the maker knows how to lay out a blank for a heavy recoiling rifle. Have all the marbling and figure in the world in the butt. But make sure the grain flows cleanly through the wrist.
 

Attachments

  • Screen Shot 2020-09-29 at 8.57.40 AM.png
    Screen Shot 2020-09-29 at 8.57.40 AM.png
    2.4 MB · Views: 96
  • Screen Shot 2020-09-29 at 8.57.42 AM.png
    Screen Shot 2020-09-29 at 8.57.42 AM.png
    2.1 MB · Views: 97

Andrew Short

Silver supporter
AH elite
Joined
Jul 9, 2020
Messages
1,052
Reaction score
1,061
Location
Jasper Alabama
Media
8
Hunting reports
Africa
3
Mex/S.Amer
1
Member of
Lifetime member NRA
Personally, I am not a big fan of a lot of gold on a rifle or a shotgun. I really think the Brits and Germans got it right respectively with the understated elegance of Rose & Scroll and oak leaves perfectly framed into case coloring or rust blue. A highlighting line of gold works with that sort of thing.

The other issue is that the gold demands attention. Great work can indeed look fabulous. Less than great work looks merely garish. This is a piece of Jim Blair's work. https://www.jimblairengraving.com/ I think it is exceptional. The buffalo above - well, let's just say, somewhat less so. :unsure:

View attachment 369749
A great piece of walnut is a wonderful thing. Just make sure the maker knows how to lay out a blank for a heavy recoiling rifle. Have all the marbling and figure in the world in the butt. But make sure the grain flows cleanly through the wrist.

Completely agree. I’ve never been a fan of really ornate work. I admire it but it’s not my taste. The MRC is not the best work and definitely doesn’t compare to Mr. Blair’s work.

My current MRC is plain with an X Walnut stock. The Heym is a big improvement over the MRC but commands the price difference.
 

375Fox

AH fanatic
Joined
Feb 19, 2020
Messages
957
Reaction score
2,468
Location
Pennsylvania
Media
127
Hunting reports
Africa
2
Hunted
Zambia, Namibia, South Africa
While I do think the engraving is beautiful, I would rather have a plain and functional firearm I’m not afraid to scratch up, then put that money towards another hunt. When you have a buffalo on the ground, I think your thoughts will be “what a great hunt” not “what a beautiful rifle I shot this with”
 

Newboomer

Gold supporter
AH legend
Joined
Sep 10, 2016
Messages
2,463
Reaction score
5,258
Location
Nevada
Media
13
Member of
NRA, SCI, American Legion, Freemasons
Hunted
RSA, Maine, Montana, Colorado, Texas, Alaska, California.
Plain and simple blue steel and walnut for me. A working tool, not a showpiece that I'm afraid to use for fear of getting scratched or dinged.
 

Hillbilly Marine

AH veteran
Joined
Apr 19, 2017
Messages
108
Reaction score
179
Location
Hertford, NC
I can appreciate a bit of engraving on a rifle. A smooth scrollwork or a special name engraved. I prefer blued steel and wood and I personally don't like inlays and different finishes ( metal finished in gold or such). However, that is me, not anyone else. If you can afford it, and want it, just get it and use it. I would love to have a fully engraved Smith and Wesson N frame with Ivory but that's outside my wallet. I would carry it daily and enjoy it.
 

50 caliber

New member
Joined
Sep 28, 2020
Messages
8
Reaction score
7
Location
the world
Hunted
Africa, Russia, Ireland, Alaska, and the lower 48
Plain and simple blue steel and walnut for me. A working tool, not a showpiece that I'm afraid to use for fear of getting scratched or dinged.
The picture in the circle shows what little engraving done on a double in my collection
 

Andrew Short

Silver supporter
AH elite
Joined
Jul 9, 2020
Messages
1,052
Reaction score
1,061
Location
Jasper Alabama
Media
8
Hunting reports
Africa
3
Mex/S.Amer
1
Member of
Lifetime member NRA
Plain and simple blue steel and walnut for me. A working tool, not a showpiece that I'm afraid to use for fear of getting scratched or dinged.

This is why I purchased the standard MRC 404. No thrills matte blue and X walnut.
 

spike.t

Sponsor
Since 2013
AH ambassador
Joined
Sep 12, 2010
Messages
11,112
Reaction score
17,231
Website
www.takerireservezambia.com
Media
348
Articles
12
Hunting reports
Africa
3
Member of
sci int, basc,wpaz
Hunted
zambia, tanzania, zimbabwe,Mozambique ,hungary, france, england
Most of you know that I bought an MRC African in 404 Jeffery. I’m having the dealer do some upgrades like barrel band, thread cap, and file down the sling stud and haven’t taken delivery. The gun is plain and is a no thrills rifle for lack of a better term.
I’ve been looking hard at the Heym Martini and this MRC Safari elite. In my opinion; the two are not apples to apples but this is reflected in price. We all know MRC is closed but with “plans to reopen soon “ per my dealer.

My question is, if you could upgrade to the safari elite with engraving and XXX walnut would you?

View attachment 369731

Sorry to be a bit blunt but that "engraving " is not great...and am being restrained saying it like that....I have seen some amazing engraving of animals on guns that would be lovely to have....but you pay a serious amount for one of those engravers...and not that many are capable of doing it....I would prefer a plain gun/rifle to that one...sorry if I have offended you ....go for the heym
 

Andrew Short

Silver supporter
AH elite
Joined
Jul 9, 2020
Messages
1,052
Reaction score
1,061
Location
Jasper Alabama
Media
8
Hunting reports
Africa
3
Mex/S.Amer
1
Member of
Lifetime member NRA
Sorry to be a bit blunt but that "engraving " is not great...and am being restrained saying it like that....I have seen some amazing engraving of animals on guns that would be lovely to have....but you pay a serious amount for one of those engravers...and not that many are capable of doing it....I would prefer a plain gun/rifle to that one...sorry if I have offended you ....go for the heym
Hahaha no offense whatsoever. Like my above post agree with this statement. It’s not great at all but would consider it above my plain MRC. I’d rather have the Heym hands down
 

BeeMaa

AH legend
Joined
Jun 11, 2017
Messages
3,433
Reaction score
6,563
Location
Alexandria, VA USA
Media
115
Hunting reports
Africa
1
Member of
NRA Life Member, SCI
Hunted
Eastern US & RSA
In the end, you will get what you pay for.

It sounds like the MRC you have is a perfectly good working rifle.
I would avoid putting scroll work on it because it would look out of place.
There is a phrase "lipstick on a pig"...although your MRC is a long way from a pig.
Don't try to doll it up, there's something to be said for nice clean lines.

Instead, get yourself a proper English or German rifle if you want scroll work.
Heym, Krieghoff, Mauser & Rigby all have beautiful engraving and functional rifles as well.
Yes, it comes at a price...but you will be much happier with the end result.
 
Last edited:

Hank2211

Gold supporter
AH legend
Joined
Jan 12, 2010
Messages
3,051
Reaction score
7,354
Media
187
Articles
3
Hunting reports
Africa
11
Member of
SCI, DU, Pheasants Forever
Hunted
Canada, United States, Zimbabwe, South Africa (Eastern Cape; Northern Cape; North West Province, Natal, Mpumalanga, Limpopo), Namibia, Cameroon, Benin, Ethiopia, Argentina
I am not a fan of engraving on a rifle, so I wouldn't pay extra for a well-engraved rifle (although I can admire the workmanship).

I do though enjoy a very nice piece of walnut, and have always upgraded my rifles. That I would be prepared to pay for.
 

Andrew Short

Silver supporter
AH elite
Joined
Jul 9, 2020
Messages
1,052
Reaction score
1,061
Location
Jasper Alabama
Media
8
Hunting reports
Africa
3
Mex/S.Amer
1
Member of
Lifetime member NRA
In the end, you will get what you pay for.

It sounds like the MRC you have is a perfectly good working rifle.
I would avoid putting scroll work on it because it would look out of place.
There is a phrase "lipstick on a pig"...although your MRC is a long way from a pig.
Don't try to doll it up, there's something to be said for nice clean lines.

Instead, get yourself a proper English or German rifle if you want scroll work.
Heym, Krieghoff, Mauser & Rigby all have beautiful engraving and functional rifles as well.
Yes, it comes at a price...but you will be much happier with the end result.

Couldn’t agree more. I like the plain lines of the MRC but boy it is plain! :LOL:

Probably gonna get the Heym if my wife gives me the go ahead.
 

bruce moulds

AH legend
Joined
Aug 10, 2018
Messages
2,989
Reaction score
4,587
here is what i would do with the same money.
i would have 3 rifles built by a good gunsmith using m70 actions, quality hand lapped stainless barrels, the same triggers properly set up, and something like mcmillan stocks.
they would all be bead blasted matt finish.
with cash left over i would have all the same or similar scopes mounted the same height.
thus any shooting with any rifle is practice for the others.
barrels would have no sights, but a spare scope in mounts would be in the equation, and sight settings recorded for each barrel.
calibres would be, 280 rem, 338, and 416 rem.
then go hunting.
bruce.
 

Rare Breed

Silver supporter
AH fanatic
Joined
Dec 23, 2018
Messages
528
Reaction score
786
Location
Atlanta GA
Media
27
Articles
1
Hunting reports
Africa
3
Not me. I love the extra engraving!!! I have enough “working” guns. Go with the engraving
 

Andrew Short

Silver supporter
AH elite
Joined
Jul 9, 2020
Messages
1,052
Reaction score
1,061
Location
Jasper Alabama
Media
8
Hunting reports
Africa
3
Mex/S.Amer
1
Member of
Lifetime member NRA
After talking things out I’m keeping the pIain MRC for now and will be attempting to trade it for the Heym.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
39,772
Messages
775,128
Members
72,628
Latest member
SC Live2Hunt
 

 

 

Latest profile posts

NTH wrote on Rick HOlbert's profile.
Nice “meeting” you Rick. I made my first trip to S. Africa this year through Kuche Safaris. We had an incredible time. What outfitter do you use? Neal
LIFE-FORM TAXIDERMY World Leader In Superior Taxidermy Since 1981

taxidermy-south-africa.jpg
Global Rescue - Worldwide Emergency Evacuation & Field Rescue, Anytime Anywhere

global-rescue.jpg
Special 10% Off On Taxidermy For AfricaHunting Members 2021

taxidermy-in-texas.jpg
TROPHY SHIPPERS - You Enjoy Your Hunt, We'll Get Your Trophies Home


hunting-trophy-shipper.jpg
 
Top