Lion charge stopped with my Verney Carron 500 Nitro

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  1. Kopskoot

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    Nice shooting!

    Who was the hunt with? Was this the same safari company as the recent backpack kudu episode?
     

  3. Ridgewalker

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    Same place Toby and I lion hunted. Seun was our PH. He told us this backpack hunt was going to happen in a month or so from the time we were there.
     
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    I watched this episode about 10 hours ago .. I really enjoy the show .. please keep them coming
     

  5. Kopskoot

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    Nope, not the same place as the kudu hunt. This was with Reitzdale game reserve. Seun Griesel was the ph
     
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  6. Foxi

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    I think the double rifle is an obsolete myth.
    You can see how long it takes to reload when the 2nd shot is out.
     

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    WOW!

    I hunted with Seun in the past, he's a cool dude and real life bad a~~ !
     
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    No worries, Which safari business was the kudu one with?
     

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    That is a freaking sweet video. Nice shooting!!!
     

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    Ejectors instead of extractors helps but it is a fair point. Your second shot in a bolt isn't as quick as a double but your third and possibly fourth can rattle off in the time it takes to load a double. In my short lifetime of using top loading rifles I reckon I could reload two into the magazine pretty damned quick after the initial 4 in the mag.

    Maybe someone who owns a double and a bolt on here could try it out. I think 6 shots trying to put on kill shots at a target as quick as you can takes in the advantages and disadvantages of both actions.
     
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    Excellent video!
     

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    Incredible hunt and incredible lion.
    Congratulations.

    How did you like sleeping in the bush?
     

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    Would certainly get the blood tingling on a walk up like that (and take a while to come down from).
    Great video.
     

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    Reloading a double quickly is easily achievable, but requires correct technique and mind set. Ejectors help but aren't absolutely necessary. In short, after firing the rifle is broken and tilted with a flick dumping the cases. Two fresh cartridges are withdrawn from your carrier and inserted in the chambers. Rifle closed and ready to go. (Mind set relates to being alert and always loaded and ready. Reloading immediately after firing should be automatic whether needed or not!!!) A double is not for someone who only shoots once or twice a year.
     
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    On the reloads: it seemed to me that the hunters were more concerned with getting their brass clean in their pockets, than with getting the rifles ready to shoot.
     
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    Im not so bad trained in some kind of guns I have (Double, bolt, drilling, tip up gun).
    By the time you put a double down and break, you're out of the running.
    And I don't even need a Blaser R 8 for that.

    But the quick shots were good,like a shotgun hunt.
     
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    Really cool video! I really like the spike camp idea with the backpacks. I’ve done this often when hunting elk. I was curious as to the distance the first two shots were taken on the lion. It’s hard to tell distance in the video. Thanks and congrats on a great hunt!
     

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    In all due respect to the hunter in the video, there are a number of time-consuming handling errors:

    1) Empties should not be plucked by hand from an extractor rifle. As Hunter4752001 states, the rifle must be flicked briskly (in this case to the right) with the barrels muzzle up as it gets open, all in one single motion. The empties will fly off to the side virtually as fast as from an ejector rifle.
    2) Forget about putting the empties in a pocket right now...
    3) The rifle should not be transferred from left hand holding the forearm to right hand holding the wrist to free the left hand to search lengthily for spare shells. This is because the spare shells carrier is not located on the proper side of the belt.
    4) The spare shells carrier should not be located in the back of the belt, visibly difficult to access.

    The proper sequence should be:
    - Open the rifle and flick the empties out in one smooth motion;
    - While the left hand continues to hold the barrels, grab two spare shells with the right hand from the shell carrier on the belt on the front of the right hip;
    - Feed and close the rifle in one smooth motion.

    A properly practiced shooter will accomplish this in under 2 seconds, not 8 or 9...

    It helps, when action clearly becomes imminent, to pull half way from the shells carrier loops two spare shells so that they offer 2 inches of grabbing surface; and to insure that the shells carrier is kept on the belt right under the reloading hand. Others, in the old days used to hold the rifle by the wrist with the shooting hand and reload from a pair of shells they continuously held in the non-shooting hand.

    It is true that the third shot from a double will likely be slower than from a bolt rifle, but not by much - it is amazing how fast a true pro reloads. But the second and fourth shots are faster... Each will have their preference, but this video should not be used to form, or formulate, a judgement about double rifle reloading speed... Truly, Foxi, anyone who trains seriously to reload, even with snap caps in their living rooms, night after night for a few weeks, will do it 3 to 4 times faster than what this video shows. I bet you that within 1/2 hour of training with the proper technique, you can do it in 2 seconds! Perttime is right, this hunter seemed more concerned about his empties than his reload.
    Now, in fairness to the hunter, in neither reloads did he need to go fast, and he visibly took his time (e.g. empties in the pocket), which is fine, but the time-consuming handling errors / wrong technique would have remained had he been intent on going fast.
    Actually, if I am not mistaken, the second quick shot came from the hunter (PH) on the left
     
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    I don't want to derail the thread, so maybe if this becomes a discussion it should be moved.

    I don't think people exaggerate how fast a double can be reloaded, but I do think people exaggerate how slow a bolt is to reload. Particularly a top loading rifle with no scope. I don't practice doing it quickly but in the field when I've needed to I've never felt burdened by the time it takes to throw one or two in and crank the bolt home. If one were to practice being a pro bolt reloader I'm sure they could equally cut down the time it takes.

    For a quick follow up second, no competition against the double though.
     
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    Whatever happens, the double rifle should be reloaded as quick as possible.

    To do so, you have to be trained, prepared and willing to do so.

    Our Lion charge stopper completely relied an the abilities of his professional hunters.

    Can be done, I would not.


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