Leopard killed inappropriately in Namibia

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  1. NamStay

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    This is where the trophy hunter should be allowed to help out. At least the land owner will be compensated for his losses and the leopard will be killed in a much more humane way.
     
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    He had a damn rifle in his hand. Muzzle to the chest and boom. Problem solved. Or he could do the same to the head, while it had the stick in its mouth.

    What a sad human he is
     
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    I'd rather not be quick to judge. The video appears cruel to those who never have the worry of living with predatory animals and to those who are in more affluent nations.

    My guess is that ammunition cost is higher than using the hatchet. This is probably what they were thinking.

    That said, why they video taped it, or why they didn't allow a hunter to take it and receive compensation is beyond me. Just a bad deal for all involved, including hunters, and they weren't even hunting in the video.
     
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    @Lrntolive , I agree with you on what seems humane to others, but we both agree a hunter paying for the leopard, would go a lot further for compensation and I bet they could do with the cash.
     
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    The Leopard obviously was in a bad way from the start,if it was only held by a foot trap it would still have given those assorted mutts a good what for.
    I imagine it may have had the sting taken out out of it off video.
     

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    The sad part is that we only know about this one as it was put on social media..... This happens in Africa every day! If there is no hunter there is no mercy
     
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    It's kind of sad to see a leopard's life ended that way, definitely not humane.
     

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    I don't even want to comment on this.. heartbreaking
     

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    Hard to watch to be honest. Such a magnificent animal killed in such a horrible way. A hunter would have dispatched him much more humanly and the funds would have benefited the land owner. When videos like this surface they do immense damage to sportsman and women. If you were an anti hunter what would you think??
     

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    Firstly bad idea to video, second the black people would not want to waste a bullet hence the reason for the axe, and third I'm not sure this was illegal at all regardless of that letter. We shouldn't judge these people it's their business.
    It is a shame that Namibia, well meaning as they are, have banned hound hunting of leopards. I believe the statistics show something like a 10 to 1 ratio of problem animals killed by farmers versus trophy hunts (it may be more extreme even than this). Everyone must understand that predators who are killing livestock in inhabited areas CAN NOT be hunted successfully by conventional means! The will be 100% nocturnal and very clever. The only way to hunt them is with hounds. It's a win win situation because the stock killer is taken and the trophy hunter is happy. How much money did Namibia get for that leopard in the video $0.00!
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    Excatly Phillip.
     
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    Not sure why this would be looked at as bad for hunting. It is not a hunter or sportmans doing the actions on video. Maybe this sick act should be used to show what happens when animals and landowners/rancher clash. How all would have been handled better if a hunter would have been used to help fix the problem. This is once again the stuff that the average public does not see. Maybe a few more would see hunting as not such a bad choice over actions like this.
     

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    Let's start with the third paragraph in the bloody press release using the word "hunt".

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    HEADLINES:
    Leopard is savaged by dogs then beaten to death with an axe in footage leaked by animal campaigners fighting to stop hunters 'abusing' the
    right to kill 'problem animals' in Namibia


    Audrey Delsink, director of Humane Society International, said: 'This attack will send shockwaves across Namibia and the world.'

    Here is a header for some fundraising on the subject from the same group:
    Wildlife advocates aim to increase conservation measures and protect African leopards from American trophy hunters


    Leopard is savaged by dogs then beaten to death with an axe in footage leaked by animal campaigners fighting to stop people 'abusing' the right to kill 'problem animals' in Namibia
    Here is the attack on Namibian law from the same lot.
    "The problem is the provision leaves the door wide open for abuse and suffering, campaigners have said. "

    Some "Greenie" who thinks you can legislate your way out of it. THE LAW IS ALREADY THERE. There are laws regarding Problem Animal Control (PAC) or Damage Causing Animals (DCA) are already addressed. You have to apply for Permits, MET various conservation departments.


    From the OTHER END:
    (You can guess which media source this was posted on)


    Stephen Matope It is considered righteous and smart when a European Hunter kills a thousand of Leopards in Africa for Fun&is applauded,rendered a Trophy for that But When An African aggravatedly brutalizes a single stray leopard to death which has been terrorising his peace& destroying his Fortune,"The killing" is considered evil and discredited because it has been done by an African.In Africa if we had a tendence of just killing these Wild animals the way Hunters do I dont think we would be having Such Species existing by now.In our Culture if a Predator has been Killed that has been a threat to People's lives "We consider the Killers as Bravehearted because it's never easy to kill a Predator with sticks and dogs.Such cases are a minority and rare comparing to seasoned Hunting perpetuated by The so called Proffessional Hunters who are thought to be Well deserving Killers of Wild Animals in Our Continent.

    Stephen Matope There are Certain places here in Africa where people reside far away from the Game Park attendance like I have stayed in a Country in resort areas where a single stray leopard savaged livestocks and was becoming a very big threat to the Community and the Chief ordered it to be killed for the safety of Livestock and People.Its very easy for People in Other Continents residing in Sky Scrappers to condemn such killings and point them as unjustified.These animals kill before you do

    Nkululeko Freedom Kwidini Steven Stephen Matope I really agree with you, there's a place in hwange where by two lions are relying entirely on livestock than anything else, this isn't an old story at all but it's happening today. I'm one of the victims I lost two recently poor as I'm do you think given the opportunity will let the lions go just like that.
     
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    As you can well imagine there are more bloody copies (versions) of this popping up on YOUTUBE.





    There are two firearms present that I saw in one version.
    In one video I actually saw one scoped rifle pointed at the Leopard and I believe there was a report (at around 35 second mark). It sounded like it was a very small caliber. I did not show an appreciable result.
     

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    I'll bet the boss was not too happy to have the farm name on the back of the coveralls when this hit the internet.

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    It is our jobs as hunters to push back and let people know it was not hunted by hunter but a landowner. The reason why should also be pushed. Also the fact that we as hunters do not like how this happened. This overall shows why hunters are needed overall for balance of wildlife.
     

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    Some FB quotes to that fact:

    Stephen Matope It is considered righteous and smart when a European Hunter kills a thousand of Leopards in Africa for Fun&is applauded,rendered a Trophy for that But When An African aggravatedly brutalizes a single stray leopard to death which has been terrorising his peace& destroying his Fortune,"The killing" is considered evil and discredited because it has been done by an African.In Africa if we had a tendence of just killing these Wild animals the way Hunters do I dont think we would be having Such Species existing by now.In our Culture if a Predator has been Killed that has been a threat to People's lives "We consider the Killers as Bravehearted because it's never easy to kill a Predator with sticks and dogs.Such cases are a minority and rare comparing to seasoned Hunting perpetuated by The so called Proffessional Hunters who are thought to be Well deserving Killers of Wild Animals in Our Continent.

    Stephen Matope There are Certain places here in Africa where people reside far away from the Game Park attendance like I have stayed in a Country in resort areas where a single stray leopard savaged livestocks and was becoming a very big threat to the Community and the Chief ordered it to be killed for the safety of Livestock and People.Its very easy for People in Other Continents residing in Sky Scrappers to condemn such killings and point them as unjustified.These animals kill before you do

    Nkululeko Freedom Kwidini Steven Stephen Matope I really agree with you, there's a place in hwange where by two lions are relying entirely on livestock than anything else, this isn't an old story at all but it's happening today. I'm one of the victims I lost two recently poor as I'm do you think given the opportunity will let the lions go just like that.
     

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    Get after it. The MET did not even bother to distinguish in their Press release.
     

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    I wish don't think anyone wants me writing something to the general public with my writing style. This is were the groups we all are members to and support should be driving this point home. In stead of just showing how we fight when they take permits from us show the reason why we think it is wrong. We always just come across to the public as crying when we cant hunt something. Here in my eyes is the perfect reason to show why hunting is needed plus all the other problems in areas were people are getting killed by animals. Lets start making them defend why any animals life is worth more then those poor people who need to deal that way of life each day.
     

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