Discussion in 'DEALS & OFFERS' started by Valerio, Jan 15, 2014.
this is my first post. woundering what trophy fees are
Trophy fee is the cost of each animal harvested.
valerio i think chmb is asking what the trophy fees are for the different species
It continues to amaze me the cost of in country air charter flights. The idea that one should have to pay more to travel from Dar to camp, than from home in the states to southern Africa and return. I know there are economical reasons for this but, I still think its totally ridiculous.
its very expensive but we don't have a choice
Civet cat $350
Eland L. $2500
There is always a choice. One could offer the use of a vehicle to transport hunters to camp. Yes, I know that isnt cheap either, but it wont cost $5500! I realize it takes time as well. My one and only TZ hunt was many years ago and after flying into Arusha, we had a rough LC drive of about 4 hours if memory serves. There was no extra charge and no mention of insanely priced charter flights. So called travel days can be added on to the schedule that allow for the days car travel instead of a 1-3 hour charter flight, and save thousands of dollars. It matters to some in the overall cost. Some dont care, they can cough up the $5500, I sure would not.
Ses- I agree with $5500 is not gonna happen for me either, it's just too much. That's two plane tickets to Africa, that's why I cross Tanzania off the list.
Yeah, I can round trip from WA state to JO, for less than half that. A hell of lot more airtime than Dar to any camp in TZ. Gotta be a better way. I took a charter from Maun to the Okavango camp years ago and it was less than 1K and I thought that was high!
Charter Flight Affordability
I just got done reviewing advertising costs for the SCI newsletter and magazine for my business. The reader profile stated that the average income of an SCI member was $200,000 a year. They can afford it and will spend it to hunt the best areas!
all righty , sign me up with sci , l could handle making 200k per anum .:whoo:
My understanding is the oil companies demand for air travel has really driven the cost of charters up in Tanzania.
You should be able to get most places in the Selous in a full day of driving from Dar. If an outfitter offered a choice of charging say $2,000 round trip it would make it more affordable for many.
It all comes down to time vs. money. The majority of people that hunt Tanzania value their time more than $5,500.
Yes, well I am not an SCI member currently nor have I ever made that kind of loot, and am retired now. What might actually be relevant is the average income of those going to Africa each year. I bet its less than 200K. Either way, $5500 in country air charter is still ridiculous. Just because some can afford it and dont mind throwing that kind of money away for a few hours flight, does not make it less ridiculous.
That's a bunch of BS, and really red hot pisses me off. I know a lot of guys that support SCI on a lot less than $50000 a year because they believe in SCI.
With respect, this is ridiculous.
A years membership for myself, outside the U.S. is $90. I can afford this and I can assure you that my income is way, way below the figure you have come up with. It is also way below the $50,000 (converted to ï½£GBP) mentioned above.
Outfitters need to realise that just because some people choose to hunt in Africa doesn't automatically make them wealthy people who can just dip their hands in their pocket and pull out whatever money is demanded of them.
It is creating an elitist statement that the (arguably) best areas to hunt are millionaire's playgrounds.
If this is the way African hunting is going something needs to be looked at because these fantastical financial statements are going to render certain areas as unobtainable to the average Joe like me.
Or perhaps the average Joe isn't welcome in these areas because we can't afford it or are unwilling to pay such extortionate prices?
THe Original Subject of this Thread
I thought that this thread was about the cost of the $5000 to $6000 charter flights required to reach camps in Tanzania. Let me quote some of the figures from SCI's advertorial statistics.
Average annual income is over $200,000
More than 40% earn in excess of $250,000 annually
Approximately 10% earn more than $750,00 annually
11% own planes and hold a pilots license
Members travel more than 100 days a year and spend an average of $61,000 doing so
Almost 33% fly first class while another 33% fly Business Class
Members spend an average of 21 days hunting outside of the US
I didn't make these figures up. I am reading them off of an SCI publication
For every person such as your self below the $200,000 annual income, there is someone equally above the $200,00 annual income level.
My point is, the guys making $200,000 plus each year will pay the $5,000. Many of them are business owners or executives and their time is valuable. They would rather have two days extra hunting than bouncing on a bad road for two days.
Tanzania is still one of the truly great safari destinations in Africa. It is about as close to wild Africa as one can get.
I must tell you though, I advertise differently for a Tanzanian Safari than I do for a South Africa Plains Game hunt. The SCI profile is spot on for the Tanzanian safari!
Actually this thread is about a Hunting Offer.
Reasonable questions or comments on the offer to the Outfitter are the point.
As an SCI member I have skewed those stats because they have no idea what my income is, nor will they ever.
Marketers never exaggerate to boost rates.
Thanks for replying to the questions Valerio.
We offer road transport from Dar es Salaam to camp with return at $1500,the drive is 15 hours.
thank you for that Valerio
l know if l was fortunate enough to hunt with you l would choose that option, mate
what better way of getting to know your hunters .
and getting to see some of your country.
It still doesn't seem right that the SCI figures are hinting that their members are bracketed into some sort of income bracket and that safaris to Tanzania should be made more expensive because a certain demographic can, on paper, afford them. It doesn't help the rest of us on lower incomes afford to get to experience these places.
Nevertheless, I'm glad a more reasonable method of transport can be offered to get to Valerio's area and I wish him every success.
I hope a website will be forthcoming so potential clients can see what to expect before they get there.
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