Impossible to find used heym double rifle

[Hornedfrogbbq]

1. I have had very good communications and discussions with Chris at Heym and while I have never bought a rifle from him(so never spent a penny with him yet), I would not hesitate to recommend him. His knowledge of doubles is vast and he has been kind enough to teach me quite alot.

2. So my guess is here in Texas, the gun is $32k sticker plus taxes and shipping and potentially tariffs. Taxes in Texas are 8.25%, shipping is going to add on at least another $100-200, perhaps more. I believe there is still a 10% baseline tariff. So my guess is this PH version will be $38k-ish when all is said and done.

3. Generic advice we all probably know buy dislike and sit in denial - they will never be cheaper. Ever. Maybe the tarrifs come off...that would be awesome. But the cost of goods and services is massively more sticky than what I was taught in university. I know recessions happen and folks may price cars and other luxury goods a bit cheaper but I believe the slow 2-5% annual March is on and has been dang near my whole life.

If you want a new ________, it will cost you more next year than this and while there are exceptions to this, hand/manual labor of a luxury product where demand outstrips supply by multiples, me thinks in 2 years time the starter price has a $4 handle.

 

[Whit]

Baseline tariff is still 13% on sales price.

 

[Hornedfrogbbq]

Baseline tariff is still 13% on sales price.

So that is above and additional to the sales tax, correct?

 

[Whit]

Yeah. First, add in the cost for a German exporter to do the paperwork, package for shipment abroad, plus air freight charges on Lufthansa, United, etc. Upon arrival in America, calculate a 13% tariff, plus the American importer's handling and customs fees. Once the rifle clears customs and is stamped, there's charges for shipment to a local FFL. If a dealer is selling, the state sales tax would be applicable, too. If we're using Texas's 8.25% sales tax as an example, then we're looking at something like 25-35% on top of the rifle's original cost. Factor in a profit margin to make it worth a dealer's time, plus a decent ROI on capital locked up while the rifle is built and sent to America, and it's no wonder a new Heym is north of $30K.

 

[Hornedfrogbbq]

Yeah. First, add in the cost for a German exporter to do the paperwork, package for shipment abroad, plus air freight charges on Lufthansa, United, etc. Upon arrival in America, calculate a 13% tariff, plus the American importer's handling and customs fees. Once the rifle clears customs and is stamped, there's charges for shipment to a local FFL. If a dealer is selling, the state sales tax would be applicable, too. If we're using Texas's 8.25% sales tax as an example, then we're looking at something like 25-35% on top of the rifle's original cost. Factor in a profit margin to make it worth a dealer's time, plus a decent ROI on capital locked up while the rifle is built and sent to America, and it's no wonder a new Heym is north of $30K.

Right. To import seems like a $6-7k all in. But for new, the math now looks like $32k base PH model, no further upgrades. $4160 in tariff (13%) plus $300 miscellaneous as the shipping from Germany should be covered in the $32k purchase of a new gun and then 8.25% sales tax $2640. Let's say it is $7,500.

Folks, you are darn near $40k for a base model, all in walking back to your truck.

 

[sniper7]

This one

Glad you got it, I was thinking hard about buying it!

 

[Russ16]

So that is above and additional to the sales tax, correct?

The tariff should be applied prior to sales tax. It is federal and when the product enters the country. Sales tax is state collected based on the invoice amount at the register.

 

[Hornedfrogbbq]

The tariff should be applied prior to sales tax. It is federal and when the product enters the country. Sales tax is state collected based on the invoice amount at the register.

So we're basically at $40k...or more.

 

[Tanks]

Speaking of tariffs, I was not charged one for my Rigby Shikari. Rigby honored the original sale price, delivered. If there were any tariffs, they took care of it in house.

 

[zephyr]

Here is a Lang 470 redone by Turnbull

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/double-rifles-english/lang-470-nitro-express-double-rifle-london-26-inch-turnbull-restoration-tight-good-bores-15-inch-lop-10-6-pounds-layaway.cfm?gun_id=103214428

 

[Russ16]

Here is a Lang 470 redone by Turnbull

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/double-rifles-english/lang-470-nitro-express-double-rifle-london-26-inch-turnbull-restoration-tight-good-bores-15-inch-lop-10-6-pounds-layaway.cfm?gun_id=103214428

With the caveat I would want it inspected by a gunsmith, view it in person, etc. I’d much rather have that gun than a Heym.

But that goes to my point earlier about personal preference on Heym vs vintage British gun.

 

[Tex .416]

fyi - Those of you commenting about tariffs, the Supreme Court declared them unconstitutional in late February i.e. two months ago.

So things are back to the prior numbers.

I recently imported some ammo pouches from Jacques Tredoux. Fedex, who he used to ship, tried to collect a brisk tariff number from me. I called them and inquired why they were still trying to collect after the Supreme Court decision. After being put on hold for about ten minutes, they came back and told me to ignore the invoice for the tariff.

Whatever number Chris is quoting undoubtedly is the retail number to the buyer inclusive of import duties. Sales tax is determined by the rate of the state at which the transfer to the buyer occurs.

Supreme Court strikes down Trump’s sweeping tariffs, sparking fierce pushback and vow of new levies

President Donald Trump says he's imposing a temporary global tariff of 10% after his far-reaching tariff regimen was struck down by the Supreme Court.

apnews.com

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

fyi - Those of you commenting about tariffs, the Supreme Court declared them unconstitutional in late February i.e. two months ago.

So things are back to the prior numbers.

I recently imported some ammo pouches from Jacques Tredoux. Fedex, who he used to ship, tried to collect a brisk tariff number from me. I called them and inquired why they were still trying to collect after the Supreme Court decision. After being put on hold for about ten minutes, they came back and told me to ignore the invoice for the tariff.

Whatever number Chris is quoting undoubtedly is the retail number to the buyer inclusive of import duties. Sales tax is determined by the rate of the state at which the transfer to the buyer occurs.

Supreme Court strikes down Trump’s sweeping tariffs, sparking fierce pushback and vow of new levies

President Donald Trump says he's imposing a temporary global tariff of 10% after his far-reaching tariff regimen was struck down by the Supreme Court.

apnews.com

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/e4243f71-8950-4adc-a9b6-9bc6c96c9c98

Tariffs are in place.

 

[Tex .416]

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/e4243f71-8950-4adc-a9b6-9bc6c96c9c98

Tariffs are in place.

Like most AI output related to law, that AI output is is either plainly wrong, misinterprets the law or is outright fabricated.

Courts are sanctioning lawyers steadily now for using AI because of the poor quality or outright plainly false and even made up statements.. I do not have an inclination nor time today to go through that line by line to make corrections, but legal arguments are one area AI has proven to be quite unreliable.

Here is a real news source from one of the daily newsletters I receive that might be of interest:

Pulse

News and analysis on legal developments including litigation filings, case settlements, verdicts, regulation, enforcement, legislation, corporate deals, and business of law.

www.law360.com

 

[Russ16]

Like most AI output related to law, that AI output is is either plainly wrong, misinterprets the law or outright fabricated.

Courts are sanctioning lawyers steadily now for using AI because of the poor quality or outright plainly false and even made up statements.. I do not have an inclination nor time today to go through that line by line to make corrections, but legal arguments are one area AI has proven to be quite unreliable.

Here is a real news source from one of the daily newsletters I receive that might be of interest:

Pulse

News and analysis on legal developments including litigation filings, case settlements, verdicts, regulation, enforcement, legislation, corporate deals, and business of law.

www.law360.com

The court ruled them unconstitutional and then Trump reinstituted them using a different authority so they are in place. However, any tariffs paid under the previous authority are eligible for refund. That process just began and is expected to take quite some time.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Like most AI output related to law, that AI output is is either plainly wrong, misinterprets the law or is outright fabricated.

Courts are sanctioning lawyers steadily now for using AI because of the poor quality or outright plainly false and even made up statements.. I do not have an inclination nor time today to go through that line by line to make corrections, but legal arguments are one area AI has proven to be quite unreliable.

Here is a real news source from one of the daily newsletters I receive that might be of interest:

Pulse

News and analysis on legal developments including litigation filings, case settlements, verdicts, regulation, enforcement, legislation, corporate deals, and business of law.

www.law360.com

That’s all well and good but everything I’ve seen shows he put a 10% tariff on everything after the strike down and tariffs could be at previous levels as early as July… Google it the old fashioned way

 

[Tex .416]

The court ruled them unconstitutional and then Trump reinstituted them using a different authority so they are in place. However, any tariffs paid under the previous authority are eligible for refund. That process just began and is expected to take quite some time.

If you say so. Please share a reference to a legal news source, not Fox, CNN, or MSNBC.

I am aware of a uniform 10% global tariff, but nothing with high rates varying country by country as before, but it is outside of my practice area so could have easily missed it.

ETA - I am truly open and interested in the question. So interested in what you are finding and sharing excluding AI output.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

If you say so. Please share a reference to a legal news source, not Fox, CNN, or MSNBC.

I am aware of a uniform 10% global tariff, but nothing with high rates varying country by country as before, but it is outside of my practice area so could have easily missed it.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/4de125ac-7af5-495a-adb4-e2a075643287

It appears they are not at previous levels as you suggested. Up 10%. So yes, tariffs are in fact in place..

 

[Dparr]

fyi - Those of you commenting about tariffs, the Supreme Court declared them unconstitutional in late February i.e. two months ago.

So things are back to the prior numbers.

I recently imported some ammo pouches from Jacques Tredoux. Fedex, who he used to ship, tried to collect a brisk tariff number from me. I called them and inquired why they were still trying to collect after the Supreme Court decision. After being put on hold for about ten minutes, they came back and told me to ignore the invoice for the tariff.

Whatever number Chris is quoting undoubtedly is the retail number to the buyer inclusive of import duties. Sales tax is determined by the rate of the state at which the transfer to the buyer occurs.

Supreme Court strikes down Trump’s sweeping tariffs, sparking fierce pushback and vow of new levies

President Donald Trump says he's imposing a temporary global tariff of 10% after his far-reaching tariff regimen was struck down by the Supreme Court.

apnews.com

That decision only covers IEEPA tariffs - Just FYI. It is one tiny corner of the Tarriff world. Majority of tarrifff power and tools are very much in force.

 

[Tex .416]

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/4de125ac-7af5-495a-adb4-e2a075643287

It appears they are not at previous levels as you suggested. Up 10%. So yes, tariffs are in fact in place..

We had tariffs before Trump and we will have tariffs after Trump. I imported a Heym Martini from Ralf Martini himself and paid a tariff on it. Biden was the president then.