I had two of my 44-40,s out this morning

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  1. leslie hetrick

    leslie hetrick AH Enthusiast

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    I took my CD little sharps and my Winchester model 53 out this morning for a little work out, 200 gr cast bullets and 200 gr jacket bullets with 10.3 grs unique. it was windy and 38 degrees so I shot off hand at 50-60 yards at several plastic water bottles and kept them hopping around. I use the 44-40,s for close range work on white tails, double lung shots at under 100 yards are very deadly on them.

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    Nice rifles! Lever-actions are fun!
     

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    leslie,
    the 44/40 is crying out for "biglube bullets" and black powder.
    bruce.
     

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    I do shoot black powder some times, but not to much in my older rifles. it costs to much to get them in good condition as I like ex or next to ex bores for shooting cast bullets.

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    black powder and lead bullets are no problem for good bores.
    and they are easier to clean properly with black than smokeless.
    bruce.
     

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    as one who has been shooting black and smokless powder since 1958, I know black has its own problems that can be over come with a little extra effort, along with case care after shooting black. but to say its easier to clean than smokless is not quite right as black blowback into the action(even a little with every firing will add up) will need to be cleaned out or corrosion will begin. lever actions have many small close fitting parts that will be affected pretty quick with black. with smokless I run several powder solvent patches and then two dry patches, the action requires no cleaning, only a light coating of oil. the sharps is a lot easier to clean up after black as the breech block is easy to remove and clean. I have a friend who put his 30-30 Winchester away after hunting with it and firing 8-10 shots to check zero and kill a buck the first day at camp, it sat all year until a week from the next season and he then cleaned with no harm done to it, with black the bore and maybe the action would have been in sorry condition.
     
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    never put a rifle away uncleaned!
    with black you should not get stuff in the action if your cases are annealed correctly.
    a once a year action clean is all that is necessary, and you should do that with smokeless anyway.
    barrels will clean quicker and easier with black.
    certainly a falling block is easier to clean than a lever repeater.
    bruce.
     

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    I would not ever let any of my older Winchesters, 1873-1876- 1886-1892-1894-1895 rifles go a day with out a good cleaning after black powder shooting that's for sure,. but I have left rifles that were shot with smokless for a few days a few times with no ill affects at all to the bore or actions. depending on the load and cases blow back can be very little or a lot. some of my older rifles cost me several thousand dollars and I chose not to gamble to much with them and black powder.

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    I have an original hiwall Winchester made in about 1912 that has been shot only with black since then.
    interestingly it is a flatspring.
    probably Winchester had a lot of parts and aust was a good place to get rid of them.
    the flatspring is no issue to me, in fact I quite like it.
    about 5 yrs ago I rebarreled it to 45/2.4" sharps, and have been shooting with fullbore shooters from 300 to 1000 yds in that time.
    sometimes I have even beaten some of the bottom ender fullbore people, and can mostly expect to beat a .303.
    have used both groove diameter greasers with 90 gns swiss 1.5, and bore diameter paper patch with 100 gns of same powder.
    the 100 gn load lets you know when it goes off.
    it has been competitive in scheutzen against 32/40s and 38/55s as well, but that is hard work.
    bullets take 3 seconds to go 1000 yds, and there can often be a wind change in that time.
    you can shoot, follow through, go onto the spotting scope, and see dust from the bullet striking the backstop.
    bruce.
     
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    Leslie, are these crop damage deer tags that you are filling? Or was the deer taken on a previous hunt. I'm with you on the black powder thing. Once fired, it is boiling water time on everything metallic as soon as possible after use.
     

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    the spike buck was taken two years ago with the win md 53 in 44-40.
     

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