I’m sick of un-gentlemenly acts

[JG26Irish_2]

This is an interesting observation. Similar can be said regarding how folks dress in public

My buddy and I had a very odd interaction with a middle aged female in Denver at the state game and fish office. We held the door open to allow this woman to enter the building first, and she promptly dressed us down and told her she didn’t appreciate the sexiest gesture. Definitely not the response I expected.

I have had this happen to me as well a few times buy similarly misguided females. I usually replay with "Pardon me ma'am, I mistook you for a lady." (joking). I try to always hold the door for ladies of all ages as well as walk with me place along the street side of the sidewalk. But, the sad truth is that many women no nothing about ladylike behavior and many younger men are lacking in the skills to behave like a gentleman. While, I learned the basics from my Dad, I also polished some of my rough edges via a "charm school" that helped with details like which fork to use when there are 2 or 3 at the place setting, where to place my knife and fork when finished with a meal in a fine restaurant, and how to carry on conversation at a cocktail party as well as proper dress, for occasion and how to tie a bow-tie among others.

 

[coreydb]

Yeah, it really gags me too. I always make a point to hold the door for anyone if I get there first. I figure if I do that long enough, something good has to come out of those kind little gestures. Hate breeds hate, but kindness also breeds more kindness.

 

[dlmac]

This is an interesting observation. Similar can be said regarding how folks dress in public

My buddy and I had a very odd interaction with a middle aged female in Denver at the state game and fish office. We held the door open to allow this woman to enter the building first, and she promptly dressed us down and told her she didn’t appreciate the sexiest gesture. Definitely not the response I expected.

As said it depends, had a similar situation. Today many women want equal opportunity, I say let them have it....bring back the draft.

 

[dlmac]

It is possible, but unlikely.

All 50 U.S. states (and Canadian provinces for that matter) have Good Samaritan laws that prevent bystanders who render aid in good faith from being successfully sued.

Fun fact, many of the weird or ridiculous lawsuits you hear talked about on the internet are urban myths or intentional falsehoods.

Having a law doesn't stop a lawsuit...just probably won.t win it.

 

[Sideshow]

This is an interesting observation. Similar can be said regarding how folks dress in public

My buddy and I had a very odd interaction with a middle aged female in Denver at the state game and fish office. We held the door open to allow this woman to enter the building first, and she promptly dressed us down and told her she didn’t appreciate the sexiest gesture. Definitely not the response I expected.

Had the same happen to me! Told her to hurry up and come in as leaving the door open for her was adding to global warming…..well that when I got to know what bitch face is…..but worth the effort

 

[Arac]

I always taught my boy that the girl/woman you see is someone’s daughter, sister, wife or mother and they deserve respect and that you treat them with courtesy. It doesn’t mean you let people walk all over you, but that is the starting point.

As the old saying goes - “I had no shoes and pitied myself, until I met a man with no class”.

 

[farmer_john]

I always taught my boy that the girl/woman you see is someone’s daughter, sister, wife or mother and they deserve respect and that you treat them with courtesy. It doesn’t mean you let people walk all over you, but that is the starting point.

As the old saying goes - “I had no shoes and pitied myself, until I met a man with no class”.

Theres a difference between being respectful.
And going out of your way/above and beyond.

Example it is polite to hold the door. Its also not rude if you do not. Its above and beyond.
And while i wont be critical of those sho choose to. I also understand why men ard letting them learn a lesson.

Heres a good exsmple of female entitlement.( there is some profanity fyi)

 

[steve white]

This is an interesting observation. Similar can be said regarding how folks dress in public

My buddy and I had a very odd interaction with a middle aged female in Denver at the state game and fish office. We held the door open to allow this woman to enter the building first, and she promptly dressed us down and told her she didn’t appreciate the sexiest gesture. Definitely not the response I expected.

They should have to wear "Karen" identification so we can know whether to be chivalrous or not, lol. It is different now that older white women are the worst enemy of anything conservative. Still, might as well make a good impression--we might change one mind out there.

 

[MS 9x56]

Yeah, it really gags me too. I always make a point to hold the door for anyone if I get there first. I figure if I do that long enough, something good has to come out of those kind little gestures. Hate breeds hate, but kindness also breeds more kindness.

Kindness is a reward all its own.

 

[rwp315]

Today I went to the post office, and they had a fast closing door
And I watched a older lady standing in the cold weather trying to get in the door and many men just brushed past her and slammed the door in her face, or wouldn’t stop to open it or hold it open for her. I must be some kind of weirdo , because I jumped out of my truck and ran across the parking lot and opened the door, took her packages and carried the heavy stuff to the counter, before I returned to get my own stuff.
It was common practice for men to hold the door open for women ( especially older women) when I was younger, has something changed in society? And are we now just basically rude or to busy to be gentlemen?
I don’t mean to rant , but my wife is handicapped and it’s a pet peeve of mine

You did the right thing. I’m with you 100%.

But it’s not just guys. My wife and I have followed young girls into a store and they’ll just let the door closed in your face.

But you are right, courtesy has disappeared.

 

[Flbt]

I graduated in 1985 and my sister is two years younger, one of her HS friends is now a great grandmother @ 56 years old, I have a hard time wrapping my brain around this !

Idk
The age of having kids and grand kids have never been that big of deal.
It’s the multiple baby daddy and not taking care of them.
I grew up around a farm Comuity where most of the older generation married young and had a lot of kids. ( free farm labor)
One of the other old families here that my family had been close to for generations.
One of the sons moved back. His daughter
Had a crush on me. Nice girl good family.
Her grandma and my aunt were friends since the early 30s.
The gm ask my aunt of I was interested that she could get the girls parents to sine that we could get married. Stating she had been married a year all ready at that age. 15
Yep 15. I was 19. No dating dammed near a arranged marriage.
No was the answer
And I worked with a few people that did marry under age girls with there families blessings. Just not that much difference 16-17 to 18 or 19 year olds
This world is a wild weird place

 

[K-man]

My mother-in-law waited to turn 16 before she married. Had her first baby 9 months and ten minutes after the wedding. Raised four daughters and has out-lived two husbands and two of her daughters, lived in the same house 75 years. Still kicken' along. Different times for certain.

 

[RLD]

It did not end badly. And the northern crusades were not really much of much
There were onky three real crusades. Wich were defensive operstions against islamic incursion into europe.

You have a very strange view of history.

There were more than three major crusades to the Holy Land. At least twice that number.

Plus, there was the northern crusades, which actually worked because they caused the establishment of Christian nations, that remain Christian until this day. Crusading was similarly successful in Spain.

Then there were other minor crusades. Such as the crusade against mercenaries. Or the Cathar Crusade in France. They were plenty real for the people who fought and died in them.

The crusades to the Holy Land ended in complete military and strategic defeat for the Christian powers involved. I don't know how much more "badly" a series of war can end than that.

Having a law doesn't stop a lawsuit...just probably won.t win it.

Very true.

But since almost all of those kind of suits are done on contingency it is hard to find a lawyer to start a case he knows he cannot win.

 

[farmer_john]

You have a very strange view of history.

There were more than three major crusades to the Holy Land. At least twice that number.

Plus, there was the northern crusades, which actually worked because they caused the establishment of Christian nations, that remain Christian until this day. Crusading was similarly successful in Spain.

Then there were other minor crusades. Such as the crusade against mercenaries. Or the Cathar Crusade in France. They were plenty real for the people who fought and died in them.

The crusades to the Holy Land ended in complete military and strategic defeat for the Christian powers involved. I don't know how much more "badly" a series of war can end than that.

Very true.

But since almost all of those kind of suits are done on contingency it is hard to find a lawyer to start a case he knows he cannot win.

There were only 3 major crusades in the middle east. 1 pushed them back wnd was a counter 3rd stalemate and truce. The rest either never got launched, off the ground or like the childrens crusade all got sold into slavery. But for organized bs only first 3 were really viable.

And they were in direct respons to islamic incursions into christian lands.. therefor defensive in nature

 

[RLD]

There were only 3 major crusades in the middle east. 1 pushed them back wnd was a counter 3rd stalemate and truce. The rest either never got launched, off the ground or like the childrens crusade all got sold into slavery. But for organized bs only first 3 were really viable.

And they were in direct respons to islamic incursions into christian lands.. therefor defensive in nature

You must have some curious sources for your history. But you are the guy calling out for a new crusade.

There were eight distinct military crusades to the Holy Land not counting any of the children's crusade or social movements.

The only crusades that were long term effective (in the traditional sense) where the northern and Iberian crusades which actually established Christian nations in the long term.

The crusades in the Holy Land were a failure. At the end of the day the crusaders got driven out of the Holy Land, which was kind of the point of the whole thing. They also caused the sack of Constantinople and the death of the HRE.

 

[farmer_john]

You must have some curious sources for your history. But you are the guy calling out for a new crusade.

There were eight distinct military crusades to the Holy Land not counting any of the children's crusade or social movements.

The only crusades that were long term effective (in the traditional sense) where the northern and Iberian crusades which actually established Christian nations in the long term.

The crusades in the Holy Land were a failure. At the end of the day the crusaders got driven out of the Holy Land, which was kind of the point of the whole thing. They also caused the sack of Constantinople and the death of the HRE.

Im not disagreeing with your facts. Only purpose and scope. The sacking of constantinople was deffinetly a case of self sabatoge. Im aware of there being other "crusades" but they were reslly nothing burgers.
The point of them was to secure europe from muslim incursion. Take holy land was secondary.

 

[Whit]

In the manosphere you may have heard of "men going their own way"? It's relevant for young people if you'd allow me to lay a foundation.

Younger women are largely fourth wave feminists, meaning they don't want absolute equality, they want the benefits of manhood (CEO jobs, Board seats, etc.) but they don't want the negatives such as draft or dating equality. The most ardent feminists these days want men to pay for dates, men to open doors, basically all of the trappings of traditional womanhood when it serves their interests, but none of the responsibilities that go along with traditionalism in turn.

I have noticed a number of men that have disregarded any form of masculine chivalry as a counter-sentiment.

Lousy women have started to also create lousy men. Both suck.

I believe the above is an explanation in part for what you witnessed. The other piece of explanation would be self-centered hedonism in our society that doesn't think about anyone but themselves. It's that half-dead zombie shuffling we see more of in big cities that are afraid to make eye contact, say hello, or speak to anyone on the streets. That infection is coming to suburbia and would be the other part.

As one of the (relatively) younger members on the forum, @rookhawk is quite correct when outlining fourth wave feminism. This is a very common sentiment. Men -- I have experienced this personally on several occasions -- are to provide all of the old-school benefits and trappings for women, especially support first and foremost for the woman's career interests, then her personal goals, etc, but not to expect traditional behavior in return. Almost all and any requests for traditional feminine behavior is stated as sexist, misogynist, controlling, etc. Marriage, and children in particular are viewed as optional, or as a later-in-a-career checkmark, once the first ten-fifteen years of career ambitions have occurred.

Don't even get me started on what dating apps & the lack of sexual inhibitions and guardrails have done to the dating market and the (in)ability of young men and women to pair off and marry.

 

[Rimbaud]

Some years ago, when my son was less than 10, we bumped into a woman at the door of a chocolate/ice cream shop. I told my son to hold the door for the woman, and let her go in first. She castigated us, rather rudely. My son was surprised by her rudeness, as was I. I told him that her rudeness had no actions on how we behaved. He still opens doors for women, and jumps from his seat to help his mom and sisters and grandmother. He also has zero tolerance for bullies. I must admit, though, that it is a strange feeling to often feel so out of step with the state of affairs that characterize so much of the world.

 

[farmer_john]

As one of the (relatively) younger members on the forum, @rookhawk is quite correct when outlining fourth wave feminism. This is a very common sentiment. Men -- I have experienced this personally on several occasions -- are to provide all of the old-school benefits and trappings for women, especially support first and foremost for the woman's career interests, then her personal goals, etc, but not to expect traditional behavior in return. Almost all and any requests for traditional feminine behavior is stated as sexist, misogynist, controlling, etc. Marriage, and children in particular are viewed as optional, or as a later-in-a-career checkmark, once the first ten-fifteen years of career ambitions have occurred.

Don't even get me started on what dating apps & the lack of sexual inhibitions and guardrails have done to the dating market and the (in)ability of young men and women to pair off and marry.

Part of the dating problems is dual sided. And everyone thinks they should be pulling 10s when there on a good day a solid 5.

The advice I give alot of guys is write a list of the attributes of your perfect partner.
Then tape it to your bathroom mirror and look at yourself. You wont pull that kind of person if your not.
Example. You want someone educated and in shape and sucessful. But you never went to school and are pushing 400lbs living with mom and dad. Your going to keep dreaming.

Second advice is have a hobby that women like and are around. Youll meet more real women volunteering at the animal shelter/ hospital that you will playing call of duty. And do manly things and dont simp for liberal bs.

Women marry at their level and above.
Men marry at their level and down.
Is good metric to remember.

 

[lhook7]

@pilar

I agree with you, but my gripes are with how certain people have taken technology to annoying behavior.

Example - Speaker phone is not for public!!!!!

Nobody wants to hear your conversation, so take the phone off of speaker and hold it up to your ear.

The sad thing is, most of the people I see doing this are in my age group 50s-60s. Last year my fiance and I were in a restaurant and a guy around my age decided to call his son and have him on speaker so his wife and their friends could hear the conversation. They were at the table next to ours. I fumed for a couple of minutes while my fiance told me to ignore it, then my brother called me. I answered with the phone to my ear, but started talking loud telling my brother I couldn't hear him because some idiot was talking on speaker at the table next to us. My brother realized what I was doing and laughlingly told me not to be an ***hole and I loudly responded that, "yes, he is a rude ***hole." My passive/aggressive call went on for another minute or so, then the guy at the next table seemed to take the hint and take his phone off speaker.