Hunters vs Hunters

[NickyMaz]

I've noticed a very disturbing trend, to me at least. That of some hunters looking down on others for their practices or objectives. Specifically I see the 'meat hunters' say the 'sport or trophy' hunters are bad and unethical. I see this a lot of facebook for instance, someone will post a picture of a big buck or bull and there will be some comments saying this is bad and we should 'only hunt for meat.' So now they have other hunters trying to cut them down in addition to the vulgar anti-hunters posting threats and calling them every name in the book.

To the 'meat only hunters' I would say a hunter can (and often does) have multiple objectives when going to the field; the experience of being in the wild, the thrill of the hunt, the meat and the trophy. Just because you chose to pursue a trophy animal does not mean you don't intent to utilize the meat. Also, I would argue it's very ethical to harvest the older male because he's likely had numerous opportunities to breed and will likely become a victim of predators in the near future.

But more so, hunters of all stripes need to stick together and not cut each other down. I'm not sure about other countries but only about 6 % of the US population hunts, we need to be united because the antis certainly are.

Anyway, just my observation and feelings. I wonder if others have seen this either online or in real life.

 

[Bsums]

I hunt for being in the wilderness, the thrill of the hunt, and of course the trophy. So I'm more classified as a trophy hunter. But I believe in not wasting the meat. We eat some of the meat we harvest, but majority of it goes to the less fortunate and is all eaten. Besides turkey hunting, we always eat them. I do also agree its ethical to harvest the older males as they have already passed on their genes, may be past breeding ability, or making it harder for younger animals to breed and create more genetic diversity. Occasionally the meat is unusable, such as when the animal isn't found until the next day. Im not chasing any DG in the dark.

 

[BnC 04]

Can't say I have witnessed this "issue" between meat and trophy hunters but I guess I gladly fall into both categories. Internal issues within hunting circles MAY seem like we are not banded together but I can guarantee you that when the wolves come knocking at the door there won't be a tighter knit group around...

 

[Biddleman]

Almost everyone I know who hunts, does it in the same matter ; looking for a great animal but won't pass up on an animal well pass their prime, or a fat doe for the freezer. I also think a "trophy" lies in the eye of the beholder. I personally have never heard someone getting slammed for taking a record book deer or elk, but have heard of someone getting slammed for taking "too young" of an animal.

Unfortunately I think the bigger division among hunters lies in the method and in the what and where the animal was hunted.

Hunters certainly are in the minority in the U.S., but the facts remain the same that hunters are no doubt that biggest conversations in both time and money.

 

[slad68]

NickyMaz you are spot on, you mentioned it in your post "FACEBOOK"
You get those clever idiots who think that Trophy hunters leaves the meat to go rotten or leave it to the Wolves and Jackals.
Point is they no nothing more that sitting in front of the PC watching Facebook.
They are in a world of their own.

I am not on Facebook at all, but go and check some of those fools on JAG BUDDIES, some of the stuff they come up with is ridicules.

 

[dobber]

i will never look down on anyone who hunts following the laws and regulations, each of us hunts for their own reason and will shoot or not shoot whatever they decide. If i am invited on someones property i will follow their rules, if someone comes on my land please follow mine, failure to do so will only mean no return visit.
My property is maintained for mature deer, took me 4 years to finally shoot a 7.5yr old buck, but if my buddy brings his kid and shoots a spike i will be overjoyed

 

[TokkieM]

It is a tendancy on social media I agree. Unfortunately it is based on a total lack of knowlage and good hunting/management pracitce. You will almost always find that in the end it is based on the price value of the trophy animal compared to the meat value of a meat animal. Or worst case a total lack of understanding surrounding trophy hunting and the spin off it creates. I collect and hunt for the freezer, nothing goes to waste and even the tough old trophy animal gets turned into something to enjoy at the table. In some way the people who make these comments despise the trophy hunter for taking away his oppertunity to hunt a certain animal eg. One property owner will not allow meat hunters to hunt Kudu bulls on the property as he is giving them time and oppertunity to become trophy quality animals, takes up to 9 years depending on the gene pool. Always going to be an issue when you are short sighted.

 

[lcq]

NickyMaz you are spot on, you mentioned it in your post "FACEBOOK"
You get those clever idiots who think that Trophy hunters leaves the meat to go rotten or leave it to the Wolves and Jackals.
Point is they no nothing more that sitting in front of the PC watching Facebook.
They are in a world of their own.

I am not on Facebook at all, but go and check some of those fools on JAG BUDDIES, some of the stuff they come up with is ridicules.

My experience has been that these facebook people are mostly antis gun and hunter. Their mission is to divide and conquer. It has been rather successful in the past but is rapidly petering out. Always remember and make sure that all shooters and hunters remember:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[matt volt]

I've noticed a very disturbing trend, to me at least. That of some hunters looking down on others for their practices or objectives. Specifically I see the 'meat hunters' say the 'sport or trophy' hunters are bad and unethical. I see this a lot of facebook for instance, someone will post a picture of a big buck or bull and there will be some comments saying this is bad and we should 'only hunt for meat.' So now they have other hunters trying to cut them down in addition to the vulgar anti-hunters posting threats and calling them every name in the book.

To the 'meat only hunters' I would say a hunter can (and often does) have multiple objectives when going to the field; the experience of being in the wild, the thrill of the hunt, the meat and the trophy. Just because you chose to pursue a trophy animal does not mean you don't intent to utilize the meat. Also, I would argue it's very ethical to harvest the older male because he's likely had numerous opportunities to breed and will likely become a victim of predators in the near future.

But more so, hunters of all stripes need to stick together and not cut each other down. I'm not sure about other countries but only about 6 % of the US population hunts, we need to be united because the antis certainly are.

Anyway, just my observation and feelings. I wonder if others have seen this either online or in real life.

There are always two sides in life Nicky people are always on both sides of a protest ,sometimes i think most people just love to take a side and debate or go against what we believe hunting for meat and to have a trophy. I learned as most of use probably how to hunt from some one in my family my father and uncles to me that is the greatest then to share the meal we hunted together and to talk of old hunting trips and look at the the trophy that we had taken is always a great feeling. now that i am getting a little older and some of my uncles and my father has passed on i can always look and that hunting trip look at that trophy that we shared together and know it will be there for when i teach my son and tell him the stories of his grandfather hunting all great times. I think its great to eat the meat but the trophy has a place in all real hunters hearts.... great topic Nicky

 

[Ruark]

I think the very nature of hunting has changed a lot since we were younger. For one thing, you have so much more technology. Also a much greater percent of the population is urban, not rural. So unless their parents hunt, few kids grow up exposed to hunting, or have that thrill of that "first .22 under the Christmas tree," etc. Hunting used to be just part of rural life. Now it's something really

Also, with the emergence of the internet, kids are inundated with stereotypes of hunters, animals, and all kinds of anti-gun and anti-hunter messages, some glaring and some very subtle.

A few years ago I was in an elementary school library, and paused to thumb through some children's books. One was a 3rd or 4th grade story book about a hunter. It showed all these furry animals in the forest wearing clothes (even glasses and hats) and talking to each other in English. Then it showed a rabbit family having supper down in their rabbit hole. Mr. Rabbit and the kids were fully dressed and sitting around a dinner table, with their plates and silverware, a light fixture overhead. Mrs. Rabbit, her hair tied back and wearing an apron, brought some food to the table, and they all started eating. Mr. Rabbit told everybody to be careful, because there was a... gasp... HUNTER in the area.

Then you saw the Rabbit family at the table again, only daddy's chair was empty. He had been killed by the... gasp... HUNTER! Then you saw all the forest animals (again, all fully dressed in human clothes, hats, shoes, glasses, etc.) having a meeting and deciding to get rid of the hunter. So you saw them wrecking his camp while he was gone, smashing everything, including his gun.

Then you saw the hunter return to his camp and discover everything smashed to pieces. He walked away through the woods, bawling like a baby, slinging tears.

And it ended with the animals celebrating - they were playing music (guitars, etc.) and dancing around a campfire - celebrating the hunter's departure, and all were smiling and "happy to be safe once again."

This is the kind of thing a lot of kids, especially urban kids, are exposed to these days. What's to motivate them to learn to hunt, when not only have they been propagandized beyond recognition, but they couldn't track a dog across the kitchen, much less a deer in a forest.

 

[lcq]

I think the very nature of hunting has changed a lot since we were younger. For one thing, you have so much more technology. Also a much greater percent of the population is urban, not rural. So unless their parents hunt, few kids grow up exposed to hunting, or have that thrill of that "first .22 under the Christmas tree," etc. Hunting used to be just part of rural life. Now it's something really

Also, with the emergence of the internet, kids are inundated with stereotypes of hunters, animals, and all kinds of anti-gun and anti-hunter messages, some glaring and some very subtle.

A few years ago I was in an elementary school library, and paused to thumb through some children's books. One was a 3rd or 4th grade story book about a hunter. It showed all these furry animals in the forest wearing clothes (even glasses and hats) and talking to each other in English. Then it showed a rabbit family having supper down in their rabbit hole. Mr. Rabbit and the kids were fully dressed and sitting around a dinner table, with their plates and silverware, a light fixture overhead. Mrs. Rabbit, her hair tied back and wearing an apron, brought some food to the table, and they all started eating. Mr. Rabbit told everybody to be careful, because there was a... gasp... HUNTER in the area.

Then you saw the Rabbit family at the table again, only daddy's chair was empty. He had been killed by the... gasp... HUNTER! Then you saw all the forest animals (again, all fully dressed in human clothes, hats, shoes, glasses, etc.) having a meeting and deciding to get rid of the hunter. So you saw them wrecking his camp while he was gone, smashing everything, including his gun.

Then you saw the hunter return to his camp and discover everything smashed to pieces. He walked away through the woods, bawling like a baby, slinging tears.

And it ended with the animals celebrating - they were playing music (guitars, etc.) and dancing around a campfire - celebrating the hunter's departure, and all were smiling and "happy to be safe once again."

This is the kind of thing a lot of kids, especially urban kids, are exposed to these days. What's to motivate them to learn to hunt, when not only have they been propagandized beyond recognition, but they couldn't track a dog across the kitchen, much less a deer in a forest.

Indoctrinating the kids is truly disgusting. Sadly the Left have no moral compass

 

[Code4]

The problem lies when meat hunters/shooters see 'Trophy Hunters' make out that they are 'big men' and 'successful hunters' or 'skilled bush men' when it is obvious they have farmed some hand raised critter they paid big cash for. Its the dishonesty that rankles. Some 'Trophy Hunters' actually believe their own stories which is sadly delusional.

The serious trophy hunter who hunts free range game, often without success for extended periods of time, who works hard and long for his own personal satisfaction, they have earned respect.

Just don't pretend that something you have done is more than it really is.

 

[Velo Dog]

I think the very nature of hunting has changed a lot since we were younger. For one thing, you have so much more technology. Also a much greater percent of the population is urban, not rural. So unless their parents hunt, few kids grow up exposed to hunting, or have that thrill of that "first .22 under the Christmas tree," etc. Hunting used to be just part of rural life. Now it's something really

Also, with the emergence of the internet, kids are inundated with stereotypes of hunters, animals, and all kinds of anti-gun and anti-hunter messages, some glaring and some very subtle.

A few years ago I was in an elementary school library, and paused to thumb through some children's books. One was a 3rd or 4th grade story book about a hunter. It showed all these furry animals in the forest wearing clothes (even glasses and hats) and talking to each other in English. Then it showed a rabbit family having supper down in their rabbit hole. Mr. Rabbit and the kids were fully dressed and sitting around a dinner table, with their plates and silverware, a light fixture overhead. Mrs. Rabbit, her hair tied back and wearing an apron, brought some food to the table, and they all started eating. Mr. Rabbit told everybody to be careful, because there was a... gasp... HUNTER in the area.

Then you saw the Rabbit family at the table again, only daddy's chair was empty. He had been killed by the... gasp... HUNTER! Then you saw all the forest animals (again, all fully dressed in human clothes, hats, shoes, glasses, etc.) having a meeting and deciding to get rid of the hunter. So you saw them wrecking his camp while he was gone, smashing everything, including his gun.

Then you saw the hunter return to his camp and discover everything smashed to pieces. He walked away through the woods, bawling like a baby, slinging tears.

And it ended with the animals celebrating - they were playing music (guitars, etc.) and dancing around a campfire - celebrating the hunter's departure, and all were smiling and "happy to be safe once again."

This is the kind of thing a lot of kids, especially urban kids, are exposed to these days. What's to motivate them to learn to hunt, when not only have they been propagandized beyond recognition, but they couldn't track a dog across the kitchen, much less a deer in a forest.

Unfortunately, children are easily brainwashed.
Even more unfortunately, most parents are asleep at the wheel and not paying attention or even caring what the schools are scrubbing into their children's easily programmed little minds.

 

[Diamondhitch]

There have long been lines drawn within the hunting community. Among the targets are people who use bait, dogs, high tech devices, take long shots, take running shots, shoot females, using archery equipment, high fences (regardless of enclosure size or animal origin), support the wrong scoring system or organization (even meat hunters fall in this group as they are one of the biggest opponents of SCI yet universally accept Boone and Crocket), and of course trophy hunters.

As many have stated we need to set aside these petty differences and deal with the real issues.

 

[James.Grage]

 

[Diamondhitch]

Reminds me of this one time out hunting, I saw a huge buck so I jumped up, took one shot, took a second shot, but by the time I put the cap back on the bottle he was gone. lol

 

[Bsums]

@James.George
Thats the typical Ah hunter for sure.

 

[Diamondhitch]

Don't even get me started about the time a buddy had been strictly following the hunting regulations and left evidence of sex attached to the carcass...