Holland & Holland ledger need help

[A.Dahlgren]

So I have bought a rifle from H&H a 500/465 from 1940
It was made for the Army & Navy store. The Glasgow university hold the ledgers for A&N. I have asked them but It should be a extra serial number from A&N so they can find it in their ledgers. I cant find it on the rifle. The only serial number that is not from H&H (32081) is inside the locks - see photo 3. Is that a serial number from Joseph Brazier the locksmith ? I have never seen Joseph put a serial number inside the lock before but maybe he did that ?

I have found this rifle on Morphy also sold by army & navy and only 7 digits from mine. This one had a extra serial number on the tang mine does not, My holds H&H serial number on the tang.

HOLLAND & HOLLAND ROYAL EJECTOR DOUBLE RIFLE MADE FOR HIS HIGHNESS THE MAHARAJAH OF KOTA, WITH CASE AND ACCESSORIES. - James D. Julia, Auctioneers

HOLLAND & HOLLAND ROYAL EJECTOR DOUBLE RIFLE MADE FOR HIS HIGHNESS THE MAHARAJAH OF KOTA, WITH CASE AND ACCESSORIES. (1939) Cal. .465 NE. 24" Chopper lump bbls are fitted with file cut quarter rib holding one standing, one folding leaf express rear sight. Standing leaf is marked for 50 and 200...

www.morphyauctions.com

A&N used bulk buy to get a better price from different makers

HOLLAND & HOLLAND ROYAL EJECTOR DOUBLE RIFLE MADE FOR HIS HIGHNESS THE MAHARAJAH OF KOTA, WITH CASE AND ACCESSORIES. - James D. Julia, Auctioneers

HOLLAND & HOLLAND ROYAL EJECTOR DOUBLE RIFLE MADE FOR HIS HIGHNESS THE MAHARAJAH OF KOTA, WITH CASE AND ACCESSORIES. (1939) Cal. .465 NE. 24" Chopper lump bbls are fitted with file cut quarter rib holding one standing, one folding leaf express rear sight. Standing leaf is marked for 50 and 200...

www.morphyauctions.com

Also can someone help me read the lines from the ledger - most I can see but not all.


Any help I could get would be great to sort out the first owner of this rifle.

 

[A.Dahlgren]

On the Northwood page whats the numbers under Bond St ? Obviously 32081 the sn from H&H but in the beginning of that line ?

 

[baxterb]

It’s 465. Note they don’t mention .465 elsewhere on the sheet, but do mention the 480gr bullet.

although I can’t figure out what’s between 465 and 32081??

 

[baxterb]

Anton, this is what I read:

465 xxxxx 32081 stock
Finally shot with 480 gr ctg
Sights adjusted for 1,2 & 300 yds
With two silver-capped projectiles (?)
All sights finished & blackened
Extra foresight will come to you
From factory
Not sufficient ctgs at range
To make diagram for this rifle

Rifle sent to factory


A B/O 465 DB Royal
H’less (hammerless) Ejector Rifle
24” Barrel
Pistol hand stock, xxx xxx (cap base?)
Cheekpiece
Hand detachable locks

 

[A.Dahlgren]

Thanks BAxter see it now

On the second page top corner 27/189 ? What is that you think ?

 

[baxterb]

Thanks BAxter see it now

On the second page top corner 27/189 ? What is that you think ?

Good question... is it the 27th rifle of 189 they built that year?

is it the 27th rifle of an order of 189 for A&N??

It would be interesting to see other ledger pages.

 

[A.Dahlgren]

I know the 32088 is A&N sold
I know the 32081 is A&N sold
I know the 32079 is H&H sold

 

[A.Dahlgren]

Will let you know what Glasgow University says if they mail back to me.

 

[baxterb]

Is that word after the 465 and before 32081 something to indicate that ALL numbers will be 32081, meaning for this rifle they just used the single S/N?

And I'm learning something about A&N here as I did not think makers made "their" rifles to be sold under the A&N label? I always thought the rifles were always marked Army & Navy but the maker did not mark them, and that's how they could buy in quantity.

Interesting H&H would make a rifle for a Maharajah, but sell it through A&N? Or were they just their importer on the far end?

 

[Hunter4752001]

Possibly 465 ***Hless (Hammerless) 32081

 

[A.Dahlgren]

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www.housefraserarchive.ac.uk

 

[A.Dahlgren]

Got this mail today.

 

[A.Dahlgren]

@baxterb Does it say Bombay branch.

 

[baxterb]

@baxterb Does it say Bombay branch.

thats exactly how I read it. on consignment account.

So it went to India?

 

[A.Dahlgren]

thats exactly how I read it. on consignment account.

So it went to India?

Yes! Not heard anything from Glasgow University yet hopefully they have a bunch of info about first owner also. The info above is all from H&H

Funny thing is my only son´ s Mother is adopted from Bombay.

 

[baxterb]

Yes! Not heard anything from Glasgow University yet hopefully they have a bunch of info about first owner also. The info above is all from H&H

Funny thing is my only son´ s Mother is adopted from Bombay.

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Very cool. It’s the Universe talking to you!

 

[A.Dahlgren]

Very cool. It’s the Universe talking to you!

The least sentence - Length 14.5 recoil XXXXXXX

 

[baxterb]

The least sentence - Length 14.5 recoil XXXXXXX

recoil heelplate

 

[A.Dahlgren]

.465 Holland & Holland Double Barrel Rifle

.465 HOLLAND & HOLLAND (ROYAL) Double Barrel Rifle .465 bore "INDIA" - royal side lock ejector with hand detachable locks, with 25" barrels, rare sight quarter rib with standard for 50 yards and for 100 yards leaf, combined moon protector foresight assembly, two triggers, trigger guard...

www.africahunting.com

9 numbers from mine also went to India and a Maharaja and sold by Army & Navy