Help me pick an outfitter

Discussion in 'Hunting Africa' started by wildfowler.250, Jul 18, 2019.

  1. wildfowler.250

    wildfowler.250 AH Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2019
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    13
    Hi guys, so I’m going around in circles a little bit here and was wondering if you can help me from experience.

    So what I want to hunt is, large areas, can be high fence. Must be spot and stalk. With a rifle.

    I’ve seen videos from people on here who are site regulars where,(mainly for bow hunting), there’s feed laid out for warthogs or a blind made next to an aritficial pond or water trough and for me it’s just not a hunt. I’m not knocking it for anyone else and I’ll happily sit and wait for a deer for the table but as a one-off I don’t want it to be predictable or easy.

    I don’t really want to go to 6 different properties to hunt 6 different animals. Is there somewhere with just one or two massive areas? Is it possible to see at least some of the big five,(buffalo aside)?

    I’ve got a list of plains game which is all I’m really after. I’m not too worried if it’s fractionally bigger limpopo or EC ect. I just want somewhere that is fair chase, difficult stalks, good reviews and most importantly, doesn’t feel artificial?

    I feel like whenever I get near a choice, someone will give an honest opinion,(mostly by PM) which contradicts everything you read in the various write ups.


    My anxiety is purely because this will financially be a one off trip,(for at least 10, 20 years) and it’s not a case of “I’ll book somewhere else next time”. I don’t really want to have a look at a trophy and see “there’s my kudu from block 1, my nyala from block 2, and my springbok from block 3”. I’d rather go to one massive conservancy and be able to do most of the hunt in one place.


    Reviews and recommendations much needed. I’ve been desperate to do an African hunt since a kid but I’ve almost gone the other extreme and booked a NZ hunt instead to guarantee an experience.


    Thanks!
     

  2. Ryan

    Ryan AH Fanatic

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2011
    Messages:
    756
    Video/Photo:
    44
    Likes Received:
    769
    Location:
    Anchorage, Alaska
    No one can answer this until you tell us what are those species you are after that must be on the same place.
     
    JSD and wildfowler.250 like this.

  3. wildfowler.250

    wildfowler.250 AH Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2019
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    13
    Really looking at kudu, nyala, springbok and impala, maybe gemsbok.

    Even if it was over two big areas that’s great. Just don’t want to go to a ranch for each individual species if that makes sense

    Thanks for the reply!
     

  4. Rick Cox

    Rick Cox SILVER SUPPORTER AH Fanatic

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2015
    Messages:
    777
    Video/Photo:
    65
    Likes Received:
    789
    Location:
    Armstrong British Colombia
    Hunted:
    Namibia, South Africa, British Colombia Ca.
    I hunted with Westfalen Safaris in 2016, they ticked all your boxes. They advertise on this site. I don't know if they have nyala, but they have other animals such as Hartmans zebra.
    When I was there we were very close to elephants and a leapord not to mention a host of other game.
     

  5. Ryan

    Ryan AH Fanatic

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2011
    Messages:
    756
    Video/Photo:
    44
    Likes Received:
    769
    Location:
    Anchorage, Alaska
    Those four to five are often on the same place in South Africa so I'm sure you'll get some good replies. I hunted with KMG Safaris last year and Marius did a fine job. I know I saw kudu, nyala, springbok and impala on the same property. Possibly gemsbok too, plus a few others you don't mention. I did go to another property all of 10-20 minutes away to hunt duiker one day and there was good kudu there too. I believe he has properties that could cover your requirements. Anyway, drop him a message. There are others I'm certain could fill the bill well but I've never used them so can't vouch for.
     
    johnnyblues likes this.

  6. jasyblood

    jasyblood BRONZE SUPPORTER AH Fanatic

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2014
    Messages:
    629
    Video/Photo:
    84
    Likes Received:
    572
    Location:
    Dallas, Texas
    Member of:
    Dallas Safari Club
    Hunted:
    USA, RSA(Limpopo x 4, Eastern Cape x 1, Northern Cape x 1, Northwest x 2), Hungary, Serbia, Zimbabwe
    I would also suggest Marius @KMG Hunting Safaris

    If you haven't already seen it , several of us AH Members are doing a group hunt with him next year. You should book and come along with us!
     

  7. Red Leg

    Red Leg AH ENABLER LIFETIME BRONZE BENEFACTOR AH Legend

    Joined:
    May 19, 2009
    Messages:
    4,120
    Video/Photo:
    232
    Likes Received:
    8,582
    Location:
    Texas Hill Country
    Member of:
    SCI DSC life memberships / NRA Patron Life
    Hunted:
    Mexico, Namibia, RSA, Germany, Austria, Argentina, Canada, Mozambique, Spain, US (15 states)
    Is this a bow or rifle hunt?
     

  8. tarbe

    tarbe AH ENABLER AH Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2014
    Messages:
    3,644
    Video/Photo:
    83
    Likes Received:
    5,381
    Location:
    Houston, TX and Romance, MO
    Member of:
    NRA Life, Handloaders Anonymous
    Hunted:
    USA, South Africa, Zimbabwe
    4th sentence says “with a rifle”.
     

  9. fourfive8

    fourfive8 AH Fanatic

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2017
    Messages:
    705
    Video/Photo:
    74
    Likes Received:
    867
    Hunted:
    USA, South Africa, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Botswana
    Even though you are in the UK, I don't see why a consultant here in US couldn't help you out. There really is no extra cost in using one as they operate just as a travel agent does. The only thing different would be comm via intl phone calls, however the net and email takes up a lot of that slack. If you want a large area for multiple PG species I can think of several areas both in RSA and equally easy to access areas in other Southern Africa countries. Of course a hunting consultant would also have that info and much more. I'll PM a little later and provide a couple of suggestions.
     

  10. PHOENIX PHIL

    PHOENIX PHIL AH ENABLER AH Ambassador

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2009
    Messages:
    8,592
    Video/Photo:
    53
    Likes Received:
    6,347
    Member of:
    SCI
    Hunted:
    USA, S. Africa
    I believe @JKO Hunting Safaris could meet your requirements. JKO has a few different areas in RSA it hunts. The first area is in the Free State with some 40,000 acres. You will see buffalo there.

    There are also other choices in Limpopo that are large properties. If you would like a quote, please let me know how many days you'd like to hunt and I can get that quote to you.
     

  11. BRICKBURN

    BRICKBURN AH ENABLER SUPER MODERATOR CONTRIBUTOR LIFETIME TITANIUM BENEFACTOR AH Ambassador

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2010
    Messages:
    21,709
    Video/Photo:
    411
    Likes Received:
    14,297
    Hunted:
    Namibia, South Africa, Botswana, Mozambique, Canada, USA, Mexico, England
    Private property rights in RSA and hunting laws require a CAE in order to be able to hunt under "extended" hunting seasons. If it is an open farm, hunting is restricted to actual hunting seasons that are specified, very similar to the UK.

    A CAE is a Certificate of Adequate Enclosure. Guess what that means?
    High fencing that has the ability to keep the game inside.
    Certain species of course can come and go as they wish. Warthog, Leopard, Jackal


    All of those geometric shapes you see on the following maps are FARM BOUNDARIES!
    "Farm 19", "Farm Dirleen", "Farm Rooidam 13"
    Do you see a pattern here?
    This does not mean that every property line has a fence. But,....

    Limpopo RSA
    Screen Shot 2019-07-18 at 09.03.45.png


    Central Namibia
    Screen Shot 2019-07-18 at 09.07.22.png

    Eastern Cape RSA
    Screen Shot 2019-07-18 at 09.15.02.png





    Kudu, Nyala and Impala are browsers
    Gemsbok and Springbok are grazers.
    Different habits different terrain, until they get introduced onto properties.

    This series of maps shows the distribution of plains game species within South Africa.
    You will immediately note that many species of plains game have been translocated into every last province of South Africa.


    Look at the first image in this thread to see the HUGE difference in geography, flora and geology across South Africa. The terrain changes from thick coastal bush to desert.

    https://www.africahunting.com/threads/distribution-maps-for-mammals-in-south-africa.30059/





    Kudu
    kudu-distribution-map-south-africa.png

    Nyala
    nyala-distribution-map-south-africa.png

    Impala
    impala-distribution-map-south-africa.png


    Gemsbok
    gemsbok-distribution-map-south-africa.png

    Springbok
    springbok-distribution-map-south-africa.png

    Low fence (random picture) near Middelburg EC
    Screen Shot 2019-07-18 at 09.32.29.png


    High Fence out near Thabazimbi/Botswana border.
    Screen Shot 2019-07-18 at 09.29.17.png

    Google Earth is your friend.


    Some folks will say they don't get a straight answers. When in fact they have
    I have stated very directly the size of the RESERVE (main property) where I will be hunting next year.
    It encompasses several farms, is high fenced and has terrain that will rival NZ if you'd like climbing hills and risking breaking your neck.
    Will it have every species on it that everyone wants. Hell no.
    Blue Duiker and Oribi are in very limited areas truthfully.
    There are specialists that hunt Caracal all the time and they go where the cats go.
    Vaalies, you will be heading to the mountains.

    Nyala, Impala and Kudu can ALL certainly be hunted on ONE property where I am headed next year.
    You'd have to travel to get the Springbok and the Gemsbok. I would want to hunt those species in a more typical environment anyway.


    Use all the tools available and you will figure it out.
    Good luck with your search.
     
    Scott CWO and enysse like this.

  12. Red Leg

    Red Leg AH ENABLER LIFETIME BRONZE BENEFACTOR AH Legend

    Joined:
    May 19, 2009
    Messages:
    4,120
    Video/Photo:
    232
    Likes Received:
    8,582
    Location:
    Texas Hill Country
    Member of:
    SCI DSC life memberships / NRA Patron Life
    Hunted:
    Mexico, Namibia, RSA, Germany, Austria, Argentina, Canada, Mozambique, Spain, US (15 states)
    Thank you very much. That is very helpful. The blinds and feeding station thing confused me.
     

  13. RBurg44

    RBurg44 AH Veteran

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2016
    Messages:
    166
    Video/Photo:
    44
    Likes Received:
    179
    Location:
    Hampstead, MD
    @wildfowler.250 you should seriously consider peiter delport (Eintracht jagd safaris) very large free roaming area with kudu, gemsbok, springbok unfenced. Also has access to high fenced impala and nyala in another area. There has been some really good reports posted here lately and it was very hard for me too find better pricing! Be a good place to look into for a “one off” trip. Im headed back to africa with him in 2020! Hes got some amazing warthogs coming outta the same free ranged unfenced area as the gemsboks kudu and springboks, with really good red heartbeast too.
     

  14. Michael Dean

    Michael Dean AH Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2015
    Messages:
    331
    Video/Photo:
    7
    Likes Received:
    403
    Huntershill owns 60,000 acres and has exclusive rights to the adjacent block of 60.000 acres, that's 180 square miles. That should give you the terrain your looking for. They also have a half dozen extra parcels within an hour or so.
     

  15. johnnyblues

    johnnyblues AH ENABLER AH Ambassador

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2013
    Messages:
    6,419
    Video/Photo:
    149
    Likes Received:
    6,144
    Location:
    Georgia
    Hunted:
    USA, ALASKA Canada, New Zealand, Mexico Africa.
    KMG safaris. Hunted with them quite satisfied. You'll just need to practice not stepping on leaves and twigs.:ROFLMAO:
     
    LiegeRiver and Smitty like this.

  16. Charles de Ribeau

    Charles de Ribeau AH Veteran

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    165
    Likes Received:
    242
    Member of:
    NRA Life
    Hunted:
    Namibia, RSA
    Don't limit your search to just RSA. Also consider Namibia. I've hunted both and preferred Namibia. HOWEVER, mine is a small sample 2x Namibia and 1x RSA. Do your homework and by all means check references.
     
    johnnyblues likes this.

  17. Charles de Ribeau

    Charles de Ribeau AH Veteran

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    165
    Likes Received:
    242
    Member of:
    NRA Life
    Hunted:
    Namibia, RSA

  18. Charles de Ribeau

    Charles de Ribeau AH Veteran

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    165
    Likes Received:
    242
    Member of:
    NRA Life
    Hunted:
    Namibia, RSA
    For some people, booking a safari is a bit like planning a trip to the beach for a long weekend. By that I mean, cost is not a consideration, nor is time.

    It sounds like for you this hunt will be more like buying a house (or having a sex change operation??? [​IMG]). You want to get it right. You can't learn too much before booking and before arriving for your safari.
     

  19. Charles de Ribeau

    Charles de Ribeau AH Veteran

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    165
    Likes Received:
    242
    Member of:
    NRA Life
    Hunted:
    Namibia, RSA
    Skype eliminates the cost factor for international calls.
     

  20. gizmo

    gizmo AH ENABLER SPONSOR Since 2015 AH Ambassador

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2014
    Messages:
    6,197
    Video/Photo:
    1,249
    Likes Received:
    8,373
    Location:
    Texas
    Member of:
    NRA Life Member, DSC Life Member, SCI Life Member, Exotic Wildlife Association, Texas Taxidermy Association Life Member, National Taxidermy Association, TTHA,DUCKS UNLIMITED
    Hunted:
    Romania, South Africa- Kalahari , Eastern Cape, USA, Fished Brazil, Mexico, USA
    @Limpopo Big Game Safaris can help you. I’d bet Bossie will put something together right up your alley.
    Andri Fox (Andri Fox Safaris), Beans at Tootabi Valley Safaris ( the valley is important, Tootabi Safaris is a different guy with a Crappy reputation but well deserved), and Justin Cawood of Arc Africa Safaris (Justin is a bow hunter himself) are all good choices too.
     

Share This Page

 
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice