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  1. mark-hunter

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    Hi, all!

    I've been reading this forum quite awhile, not being registered, however finally I logged in!

    I hunt mostly in Europe, roe deer, fallow deer and boars, and somewhat less pheasants and other small game.

    Looking fwd to get more information and knowledge about African hunting, and have special interest in plains game.
     

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    Welcome Mark-Hunter, you found the best of all worlds for hunting Africa information and other places too!
     

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    Hello Spike.t!
    Thanks for welcome!
    You are getting right to the point! Very straightforward question!:)

    I am in early stages of research for African hunt.

    I am interested in plains game: first - kudu, gemsbok. wildebeest, plus others such as impala, blesbok, warthog, possibly zebra etc...
    So, in very broad perspective, and very optimistically I would like to get things organized within a year, 2017, maybe.
    I did not make any deadline to myself yet.
     

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    Welcome!

    Your timing is about perfect. I joined this site about 5 months before making a deposit and about 15 months before actually going on my first safari (late June, early July 2016).

    I found that the advise offered here did not lead me astray- we had an exceptional time on our safari with no issues! Feel free to read my report for the details (y)

    Best of luck with your planning. Looking forward to hearing how it goes!
     

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    Welcome to AH MarK-Hunter.
    Good luck and all the best.
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    Welcome to the best place for the information you need. A good crew here. Good luck.
     

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    Thanks rinehart0050.
    Timing will be proven by final outcome, however if it takes longer, no problem, as I will not set any deadlines.
     

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    Hi and welcome,

    Where in Europe?
     

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    Hi, Eddie P.
    Croatia.

    O, BTW, (editing later), if somebody is interested in hunting in Croatia, I will be happy to share informations in more details.
     
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  17. rinehart0050

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    I'm definitely interested in hearing about hunting in Croatia. What sort of species are available? How easy is it for a foreigner to hunt?

    Would love some photos!
     

  18. mark-hunter

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    OK. let me advertise my own country, why not!

    Croatia is small country end you can reach every part from north to south in a matter of hours by car, using modern highways.
    Around 4.5 milion total population. Costal area is very long and diverse, with cca 1000 islands, 80 to 90% of islands uninhibited, and perfect for summer cruise with sailing boat.
    Large plains in the north, divided by hills and high mountains in central part from coastal areas.

    In Croatia hunting season is 12 months per year, but season per each species depends on national hunting regulations and time of year.
    For example, for wild boar (male) hunting season is 12 months per year.
    Roe deer season opens on 1st may, till end of September, and roe doe season then opens on 1st od october.
    etc, etc

    There is 8 + 2 (ttl 10) big game species in Croatia.
    Roe deer
    Red deer
    Fallow deer
    Brown bear
    European boar
    Mouflon
    Chamois
    Wild European boar

    And lately added to the big game list by agreement of SCI and Croatian govt, were dalmatian sheep, and kri kri ibex.
    Thus it makes ten of big game species, which may be of interest to non-resident hunter.

    These sheep and goats can be found near coast and on numerous islands, but us (locals) do not consider them as much of a tropheys, more as domesticated annoyance on the hunting grounds. Personally I never had a slightest wish to shoot a sheep, and this generally summarizes local views on this matter.
    However, there is interest in this with non resident guests from other countries.

    What we locals say is this:
    Red deer is the king of the woods.
    Brown bear is the tsar of the woods
    Roe deer is the prince of the woods.
    Boar is black game.

    We dont even have any kind of similar expression for goats and sheep. (Who shoots the sheep????!!! To me this is still unthinkable)

    Big game hunting is stalking, hunting from the stand, from the blind or similar.
    Wild boars may be hunted in same way, or optionally they may be driven by dogs.

    Fallow deer is introdeced and controlled species, and as such available for hunting in fenced areas or on the islands. The other big game is mostly free ranging.

    Small game include pheasant, rabbits, hares, partridge, quail, woodcock, doves, ducks, geese, etc

    Most of small game and wing shooting traditionally is rough shooting were dogs drive free ranging game infront or towards the hunters, however some commercial hunting may be organized when game is released from pens as per previous booking or agreement.

    Most common hunting pests and varmints are jays, foxes and jackals. Huntable, of course.

    Protected species:
    Previously hunted, but now protected species are wolf and cappercaile.
    As wolf population is recovering on fast track, for cappercaille there is a struggle still going on, which includes partial reintroducing from other countries plus ban on hunting.

    However, wolf and cappercaille may be hunted legally in neighboring Bosnia.

    Wild cat, has been hunted species but under newest EU hunting regs, it is protected.
    Bob cat, reintroduced, protected as well.

    In Croatia there is possibly most dense population of brown bear in Europe, present population estimated at about 1300, with roughly 10% of this to be allowed on annual hunting permits. This is never achieved, and bear population is in increase, now visiting suburban areas, turning garbage bins, getting on the roads, and creating hazards to the traffic, which is not unknown when compared to black bear habits in the states.

    The northern part of Croatia (as well as parts of Serbia and Hungary) were flooded by prehistoric Panonian Sea which later dried and left the huge dry plains, which then erroded by winds and nature, thus exposing a rich mineral soil. (Including prehistoric sea shells still found in the ground)

    Those minerals found in the ground, make extreme quality pasture for most popular species of roe deer and red deer producing well developed antlers.
    This type of soil is unique in the World.

    The tropheys are measured as per CIC standard usually, generally accepted in this region of central Europe.

    For Croatian citizens the options are to be hunters as members of hunting clubs, which have their own hunting grounds under concession from govt, or as members of Croatian hunting federation, in which case they may hunt as guests of other clubs, in some kind of agreement, courtesy call or commercially.

    For non residents, or for other nationals, the Croatian hunting federation usually recognizes their own national firearms permits, and hunting certificate (some form of basic safety in hunting or similar), and then they will issue Croatian hunting ID card, based on this.
    Croatian hunting card is valid 12 months per year, and with this basic document you may hunt all over croatia, in agreement with whoever has concession over particular hunting ground.

    Practically, the outfitter who is arranging your hunt will apply for this on your behalf, and hunting ID card will be routinely issued.
    Based on Croatian hunting ID card, you will get hunting permit with each hunting ground concession holder, or whoever is running the hunting ground. Once again, all this will be sorted out by your outfitter.

    Guns to use:
    Big game 30-06, 270, 8mm mauser, or similar will cover most of all big game hunting, however they are on lower limit for bear, so something more powerful would be recommended.
    Small game, shotgun 12 ga, is perfect.
    Boars may be also hunted with shotgun, but using slugs.

    If auto loader (shotgun or rifle) is used, then magazine capacity is limited to 2 rounds in mag, plus one in chamber.
    Hunting with pistols or revolvers is not permitted, but you may have one for purpose of shot of mercy for wounded animal.

    This is link to croatian hunting federation pages.
    (I did not find english version, but you may use google translator for this)
    http://www.hls.com.hr/inozemni-lovci/

    And at this moment, as far as outfitters are concerned presently two come in my mind.
    I did not use outfitter service, as i have different possibilities, but I believe those are most famous:

    http://www.jip-agent.com/O-nama.aspx
    (J&P agent, has outfitted Craig Boddington hunts few years ago)

    And this one, a Croatian guy, with outfitting firm established in London, UK but specializing in local hunts in Croatia:
    http://www.artemis-hunting.com/about-us/useful-information.html

    My own disclaimer is that I did not hunt with them, but you may check their websites and get further feedback form other hunters experiences, as refferences are listed on their web sites.
     

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  20. Boela

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    Welcome to AH Mark

    Thank you for a very informative read, I enjoyed it very much.

    I will be in Austria (Villach) during December visiting friends and are they putting a small hunt together for me. At this stage in time, I have no clue as to what is in stalled for me - I leave it to them to surprise me when I get there. Even if I do not shoot anything during the hunt, I know I shall be treated to the wonderful experience of hunting in a foreign country. I shall of course give a full report back on this if everything works out.

    Best of luck with all your planning, please keep us updated.
     

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