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Pic of the muzzle. Bore condition report. 3-day non-firing inspection period. I'd also take a look at whether it was drilled/tapped for a scope and if it has a modified safety.
 
1950/1952 MCA models of Mannlichers are hard to sell and lower value. They were sold via Stoeger and others as importers. Their safety is a bit low grade too.

In my opinion (and you may disagree), the reason Mannlichers are valuable is because they were in early safari calibers and were engraved and retailed by storied British/Indian firms: Dickson, Gibbs, Rodda, etc.etc. Add to that, these firms, usually British, embellished and enhanced them in various ways with George Gibbs models being famous for custom calibers, restockings, and changes to the bolt. They also often had custom side safeties on the bolt shroud too. Storied vintage guns.

The 1950 MCAs were sorta mass produced models. Usually 270 winchesters, rarer 7x64 brenneke, .243, 30-06, etc.
There were / are no "1950/52 MCA Models" of Mannliucher Schoenauer rifles or carbines. MCA was introduced after the models of M1950, M1952.
Stoeger had declared themselves to be 'sole importers' (to the U.S.) of Steyr products since the late 1920s.
Side safeties were factory installed in postwar models.

The first four models of MS sporting rifles and carbines were not in "early safari calibers", they were each dedicated to their own MS proprietary cartridge. The prototype M1900 and Military ('Greek') Y1903 (and all variants) were in the new MS6.5X54 cartridge, as would be all M1903. All M1905 were 9X56MS, M1908 were 8X56MS, M1910 were 9.5X57MS - known to the Brits as .375 Nitro Express Rimless.

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Model M1924 was introduced as the 'Sequoia', originally distributed only by Sequoia Importing Company of San Francisco and Detroit.

MS Sequoia Importing Co Detail.jpg


Model M1924 was built on a longer receiver to accommodate the 'U.S.Cartridge of 1906' (.30-'06) and all were so chambered. Production continued on the same 'action' in a variety of chamberings on rifles and full stocked carbines (Stutzen) through the early years of Anschluss (Nazi occupation of Austria). These were marketed by Stoeger as 'High Velocity' and are now referred to by collectors as 'M1925'.

Eventually production ceased (early 1940s) until introduction of the M1950.

MC and MCA styles came after the M1950 and M1952, and with their introduction buyers were advised to order the M1952 if they did not wand an MC or MCA style stock.

MS Stoeger 1960 GK Stock.jpg


The designations MC and MCA were "Monte Carlo" and "Monte Carlo Amerikanische" or "Monte Carlo All Purpose".

Model MC:
MS Model MC 1962 Stoeger detail.jpg


Model MCA:
MS Model MCA 1962 Stoeger detail.jpg



Models M1950, M1952. The M1952, or 'GK', had a swept back bolt handle, retained the straight comb stock of previous models.
MS Stoeger 1951 01.jpg

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MS Stoeger 1954 01.jpg


From 1925 onward, the Mannlicher Schoenauer 'High Velocity' (now referred to by collectors as 'M1925') was offered by Steyr in a variety of chamberings, many retailed to the U.S. through Stoeger. Here are 1939 offerings:
MS ST39 50 Mannlicher Schoenauer.jpg

MS ST39 51 Mannlicher Schoenauer details.jpg

MS ST39 52.jpg



Much of the reason that "Mannlichers are valuable", for the MS, has to do with the same factors that made them highly desirable when new and still so highly regarded; they were finely crafted, supremely balanced, had stocks shaped for instinctive 'pointability' that was / is unparalleled for 'snap shooting', they absolutely never jam when fed with proper fitting cartridges, the smoothness of action is superior to all others... .

If you have never had the experience of handling / shooting a Mannlicher Schoenauer I'd highly recommend that you do. They are far more than just a 'name' or style of (stutzen) stock.

What basis have you for the assertion that "Their safety is a bit low grade too. [sic]"?
 
Since we are talking about MS rifles, is there a cut off as to when the rifles were quality or not?

I came across a 70’s Steyr in 7x57 with EAW Pivots for less than 2k CAD. These later models seem to pop up more often than pre-war so I am curious.

I would like a 1903 though.
The general opinion holds that pre WW2 models were better built and finished than those of postwar manufacture. I have a M1910 Take Down Model (Steyr factory made, not whatever 'pseudo take down' models referred to by Rook) but do not own / have not fired any MS of post WW2 manufacture so I cannot attest first hand to validity of the opinion.

What I can say from experience is that the pre WW2 MS are finely built and balanced, supremely reliable, unbelievably smooth.

There were some features that did not carry over to postwar production such as the trap door buttplate with cleaning rod storage, the Take Down Model, options such as removable grip cap, pop up tang sight, and a few others.

The later MC and MCA stocks are a matter of taste and preference.
 
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In Australia:
 

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There were / are no "1950/52 MCA Models" of Mannliucher Schoenauer rifles or carbines. MCA was introduced after the models of M1950, M1952.
Stoeger had declared themselves to be 'sole importers' (to the U.S.) of Steyr products since the late 1920s.
Side safeties were factory installed in postwar models.

The first four models of MS sporting rifles and carbines were not in "early safari calibers", they were each dedicated to their own MS proprietary cartridge. The prototype M1900 and Military ('Greek') Y1903 (and all variants) were in the new MS6.5X54 cartridge, as would be all M1903. All M1905 were 9X56MS, M1908 were 8X56MS, M1910 were 9.5X57MS - known to the Brits as .375 Nitro Express Rimless.

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Model M1924 was introduced as the 'Sequoia', originally distributed only by Sequoia Importing Company of San Francisco and Detroit.

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Model M1924 was built on a longer receiver to accommodate the 'U.S.Cartridge of 1906' (.30-'06) and all were so chambered. Production continued on the same 'action' in a variety of chamberings on rifles and full stocked carbines (Stutzen) through the early years of Anschluss (Nazi occupation of Austria). These were marketed by Stoeger as 'High Velocity' and are now referred to by collectors as 'M1925'.

Eventually production ceased (early 1940s) until introduction of the M1950.

MC and MCA styles came after the M1950 and M1952, and with their introduction buyers were advised to order the M1952 if they did not wand an MC or MCA style stock.

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The designations MC and MCA were "Monte Carlo" and "Monte Carlo Amerikanische" or "Monte Carlo All Purpose".

Model MC:
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Model MCA:
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Models M1950, M1952. The M1952, or 'GK', had a swept back bolt handle, retained the straight comb stock of previous models.
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From 1925 onward, the Mannlicher Schoenauer 'High Velocity' (now referred to by collectors as 'M1925') was offered by Steyr in a variety of chamberings, many retailed to the U.S. through Stoeger. Here are 1939 offerings:
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Much of the reason that "Mannlichers are valuable", for the MS, has to do with the same factors that made them highly desirable when new and still so highly regarded; they were finely crafted, supremely balanced, had stocks shaped for instinctive 'pointability' that was / is unparalleled for 'snap shooting', they absolutely never jam when fed with proper fitting cartridges, the smoothness of action is superior to all others... .

If you have never had the experience of handling / shooting a Mannlicher Schoenauer I'd highly recommend that you do. They are far more than just a 'name' or style of (stutzen) stock.

What basis have you for the assertion that "Their safety is a bit low grade too. [sic]"?
It would cost a fortune to do all the machining to recreate one precisely today! One machine cut is "supposedly" impossible.
 
Can anyone make my good deal on a CZ P-01 omega better by pointing me to a CZ 75/85 Kadet II .22 conversion kit for sale?!!
 

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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/949969518
Seller estimates date of manufacture in the 40s based on sn, which cannot be since 458wm was introduced in '56. Conversion or misdated by seller? Nice looking rifle though imo.
 

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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/949969518
Seller estimates date of manufacture in the 40s based on sn, which cannot be since 458wm was introduced in '56. Conversion or misdated by seller? Nice looking rifle though imo.

I'm not a Belgian FN / Browning guy so someone can certainly speak up and disagree with me. It looks correct and original, the only thing that I think is wrong is the seller's belief on its date of manufacture. I believe these FN banner rifles were made circa 1960 or so?

It has the side safety of a more modern FN. No flag safety on the shroud. Doesn't have the weird browning bolt release, rather it just has a normal FN / Mauser type.

Looks like a normal FN mauser to me.
 
Lever looks a little left of center

Somebody got a deal on this Sodia at $3600. I hate that its an O/U and I really hate that its a rimless dangerous game cartridge in a double rifle, but $3600 for a 458 client rifle with ejectors, sidelocks, and all the trimmings for roughly the price of a beretta silver pigeon at the local sporting goods store? No brainer.

Was it one of our own that picked this gun up?
 
I'm not a Belgian FN / Browning guy so someone can certainly speak up and disagree with me. It looks correct and original, the only thing that I think is wrong is the seller's belief on its date of manufacture. I believe these FN banner rifles were made circa 1960 or so?

It has the side safety of a more modern FN. No flag safety on the shroud. Doesn't have the weird browning bolt release, rather it just has a normal FN / Mauser type.

Looks like a normal FN mauser to me.
Thanks for the info!
 
The general opinion holds that pre WW2 models were better built and finished than those of postwar manufacture. I have a M1910 Take Down Model (Steyr factory made, not whatever 'pseudo take down' models referred to by Rook) but do not own / have not fired any MS of post WW2 manufacture so I cannot attest first hand to validity of the opinion.

What I can say from experience is that the pre WW2 MS are finely built and balanced, supremely reliable, unbelievably smooth.

There were some features that did not carry over to postwar production such as the trap door buttplate with cleaning rod storage, the Take Down Model, options such as removable grip cap, pop up tang sight, and a few others.

The later MC and MCA stocks are a matter of taste and preference.
The Metalurgy of the 1950/52 forward allows higher pressures with no worries. A 1908 should be kept lower for example when reloading. I don't think quality suffered at all compared to earlier models. The only change in quality was when they discontinued these grand old arms! (perhaps due to manufacturing costs/potential mandated price increases, etc?)
Thanks for an excellent illustrated post, one and all!
 
Somebody got a deal on this Sodia at $3600. I hate that its an O/U and I really hate that its a rimless dangerous game cartridge in a double rifle, but $3600 for a 458 client rifle with ejectors, sidelocks, and all the trimmings for roughly the price of a beretta silver pigeon at the local sporting goods store? No brainer.

Was it one of our own that picked this gun up?
Holy cow!!!!!!! Somebody get me a time machine so I can go back and get it first.
 
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