Express Sights: 1folding or 5, Oh No...

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For my Iron Sighted Friends:)
I was talking with the founders of the Drake & Hudson Co (coming this year) about express sights and folding leaves.
This got me thinking about them from a practical standpoint (being a retired engineer) and being winter and all, thought to put into pictures their effectiveness.
Now, I must confess, I am guilty as charged. Checked my stash of rifles and have 2 of them with 3 leaves (375H&H and 7x57 Mauser) and interesting, both on octagon barrels. Hmm...
These are busy charts with all the pertinent info on them. I programmed this up in Excel and is automated, so can apply to any ballistics.
I made 4 charts assuming 1 fixed, 3 folding, for 100yds, 200yds, 300yds and 400yds zeros and I think they show that even my 3 folding are a bit much:), but boy, they are cool.

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The green is the window that the bullet is inside the game Vital Zone Area (we can quibble about the size, but it is just a reference). I think most of us, certainly me, do not think about the height of the rise vs the trajectory drop. But when this is taken into account and for the longer ranges, the exact range must be known.

For example, the 400yd zero. Obviously, the first green band to 45yds is a do not care as most of us can assess that the game is at least beyond this since I decided to use the 400yd leaf!
But then it leaves (no pun intended) the vital zone and does not come back in until 395yds and then only has a green band to 405yds! So, in this scenario I would have to know the target range to within 20yds at 400yds.
300yd zero extends the green zone by 35yds, still requires precise ranging.

Now, the 200yd and 100yd zeros show the value and beauty of the leaves. The 200yd has a full green band from 0 to 235yds! and the 100 to 175yds. So, I do not need to know the exact range, just that it is less than 235 or 175, which is doable.

Now, during the heydays of African hunting, no scope, 3 or 4 leaves, would at least give some chance of success and given those times, probably worth the risk.
But today, with scopes and irons as backup or the pleasure of using them, I think that the 1 fixed, 1 folding, setup for 100yds and 200yds, seems practical (and saves wear and tear on the gunsmith). All you need to do is to assess is the game less than 175yd, use the fixed, or if less than 235yds, flip up the leaf. In any case, always within the green zone.

Now, I will probably end up designing multiple leaf express sights, hopefully no more than 3, as there is a market as evidence by Rigby, Wesley Richards, Jeffery that show 3 folding leaves on their magazine rifles!
 
For my Iron Sighted Friends:)

I made 4 charts assuming 1 fixed, 3 folding, for 100yds, 200yds, 300yds and 400yds zeros and I think they show that even my 3 folding are a bit much:), but boy, they are cool.

Exactly! Boy multiple folding leaves are cool but...

A hundred or more years ago, when rifle scopes were not a reliable as they are today, multiple folding sight leaves seemed to make sense. I question however if many hunters could accurately use them past 100 yards? Also, between the wars, if a hunter drew blood or hair shooting at 200 to 300 yards but the animal got away, were they charged for the animal and was that the end of their tag?

Another factor is today’s African client hunters is their reading glasses age. Are today’s western hunters in Africa older than those of a century ago? I think those hunters of long ago may have had the financial means to hunt Africa for 30-days and spend a week each way in ocean voyage. Who among us today pre-retirement could take that much time off from work? Were they younger men of means back then? Granted on AH we have members under 50 years who have hunted Africa, but how big is that percentage?

Here’s another factor, computer screens! For me, it wasn’t but a couple years after I retired from the Marines and worked as a consultant, that I needed reading glasses. How could this be for some 20 years’ prior my vision was nearly 20/5. I could often see 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm shot holes in targets at 300 yards! I earned the USMC Distinguished Marksman with iron sighted M-16A2’s and match M-14’s. That was shooting across the course from 200 to 600 yards and sometimes long range at 1000 yards with iron sights. What happened? Age and computer screens happened.

Granted, I don’t want a dangerous game rifle without very good iron sights! If nothing more, DGR just look out of place without irons. That stated a single fixed blade cut for 50 to 100 yards is sufficient for me. That single iron blade would only be used if I somehow break my scope and or reflex sight in the field, and my spare is back in the truck! Oh, with quick release mounts, a scope and with reflex sight backup is NOT an insane idea. Always have a spare!

The above is my opinion… Multiple blade sight are cool.
 
Yep… I bet lost a lot of game in those times.
I think the charts show that with a 200yd zero good from 0 to 235yds, all green, even with the accuracy dispersion! And energy still good.
Maybe a bigger issue might be the apparent bead size of almost 19” against a vital zone of 12” or so.
So as long as you can estimate the bear size, might get it centered? Who knows…
But irons are fun and make for rifle lines sans the scope,
In fact, a number of rifles in the works with 1 fixed, 1 folding(which I think is optimum) and even an old school 416 Rigby, irons only, with 2 folding:)
There you go…
 
I went with one standing blade of 50 meters, one foldable on 100 m and a second on 150 m. I doubt I can use more then the standing one, but if nothing else at least they look nice on the quarter rib.

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Yes, they are very cool. The only time I used one of the folding leafs was at the range shooting 100 yards; standing fix shallow-V express sight is set to 50 yards; the difference was negligible with my hand loads, your graphics kind of shows that.

The one and only buffalo I shot with this rifle was using the fixed sight at 104 yards, one shot DRT. Lucky?; I don't know, hit where I was aiming. I was 77 at the time. I personally prefer open sights over optics even though I have optics for my rifles.
 
For my Iron Sighted Friends:)
I was talking with the founders of the Drake & Hudson Co (coming this year) about express sights and folding leaves.
This got me thinking about them from a practical standpoint (being a retired engineer) and being winter and all, thought to put into pictures their effectiveness.
Now, I must confess, I am guilty as charged. Checked my stash of rifles and have 2 of them with 3 leaves (375H&H and 7x57 Mauser) and interesting, both on octagon barrels. Hmm...
These are busy charts with all the pertinent info on them. I programmed this up in Excel and is automated, so can apply to any ballistics.
I made 4 charts assuming 1 fixed, 3 folding, for 100yds, 200yds, 300yds and 400yds zeros and I think they show that even my 3 folding are a bit much:), but boy, they are cool.

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The green is the window that the bullet is inside the game Vital Zone Area (we can quibble about the size, but it is just a reference). I think most of us, certainly me, do not think about the height of the rise vs the trajectory drop. But when this is taken into account and for the longer ranges, the exact range must be known.

For example, the 400yd zero. Obviously, the first green band to 45yds is a do not care as most of us can assess that the game is at least beyond this since I decided to use the 400yd leaf!
But then it leaves (no pun intended) the vital zone and does not come back in until 395yds and then only has a green band to 405yds! So, in this scenario I would have to know the target range to within 20yds at 400yds.
300yd zero extends the green zone by 35yds, still requires precise ranging.

Now, the 200yd and 100yd zeros show the value and beauty of the leaves. The 200yd has a full green band from 0 to 235yds! and the 100 to 175yds. So, I do not need to know the exact range, just that it is less than 235 or 175, which is doable.

Now, during the heydays of African hunting, no scope, 3 or 4 leaves, would at least give some chance of success and given those times, probably worth the risk.
But today, with scopes and irons as backup or the pleasure of using them, I think that the 1 fixed, 1 folding, setup for 100yds and 200yds, seems practical (and saves wear and tear on the gunsmith). All you need to do is to assess is the game less than 175yd, use the fixed, or if less than 235yds, flip up the leaf. In any case, always within the green zone.

Now, I will probably end up designing multiple leaf express sights, hopefully no more than 3, as there is a market as evidence by Rigby, Wesley Richards, Jeffery that show 3 folding leaves on their magazine rifles!
The bigger question isnot whats thebbullet drop but hows the wind drift for a full value wind say 10mph at 400m

Id say irons being generally a backup and most folks not the most proficient id do 50 100 150 or something similar
 

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