Do any of you invest in gold and silver, and if so, how?

If the SHTF-plan is to buy stuff with gold/silver; you are in for a surprise...

As for buying gold or silver; physical or "paper"; depends on why, for what and horizon. Buying coins/bullions now is possible not a very smart investment; buying ETFs and having a shorter horizon I believe the risk is limited and there is some money to be done.
 
One problem with jewelry and other items made out of precious metals is that you better know what you are buying and doing or you could go into a hole real fast.

Before everything went crazy I was picking up silver coins, medallions, and a few bars to go with the silver dollars that I have picked up over the years.

I'm not getting it for the acropolis but I just like collecting it. At the price of gold I might have to dig out the old gold pan.
Jim, I have a couple of gold claims here in AZ
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where you could use that pan. Except there's no water on them. We use dry washers to concentrate the gold around here. Or haul water and a recirculating highbanker if a decent pay streak shows up.
 
We have an apocalypse stash in the safe. It has become embarrassingly valuable over the last couple of years. Unfortunately, in this country, selling bullion entails a very high capital gains tax of 28%.
@Red Leg - I am Not much of an investor and my question is: How would “Capital Gain” be determined? If you buy a 1oz gold coin from a private seller for $1000 and later sell it to another buyer for $2000 ——where is the record of the sales and reporting coming from? Especially if the sale is a cash sale? I thought one of the attractions of buying gold was to possess ‘physical gold’?
 
Besides the devaluation of the U.S. dollar, all the economic uncertainty. Gold and silver outperforming the S&P 500 in 2025 is a huge clue. This usually signals a major deflationary recession.

Sign after sign keeps building.

China banned silver export January 1st 2026. Until China starts dumping gold and silver it’s going to keep rising.
 
I invest in Gold, Silver and Copper. Coins. I once owned shares of a gold mine but they went bust and so did my investment. I also own gold bars, as in gram bars of various sizes. When I travel out of the country I wear a belt that has some of these hidden in the belt. That way when the SHTF I’ve got some bargaining chips to use to get away or out. I buy my precious metals thru APMEX.
@Sourdough - question about when You “travel out of the Country” you carry gold bars/gram bars “hidden in a belt”? Unless you are driving Out-of-the-Country doesn’t going thru a metal detector and/or Customs detect your “hidden gold”?
 
There will be a few corrections downward. Maybe as low as 40%.

But in two or three years silver will be well over $300 an ounce
 
Hank, most people buy from sources that are reported to the government.
@Altitude sickness - well, that would certainly “minimize” your profit potential. Reading other posts, some mentioned buying Gold/Silver coins as easier to sell later and that seems to make sense. Of course you would need to store them yourself and have a safe place to keep them (good quality Safe?). It is interesting to speculate on the “what ifs?” And “how to do it?”
 
I hope to be wrong about gold and silver. Because I have far more into the market and other assets tied to the market and economy. So the metals are just a tiny hedge. They’re not going to offset big losses in a market or downturn with a bad economy.

Hopefully, when the market cools and the economy cools, the world runs back to the dollar for Security. and the dollar gains some more value
 
@Red Leg - I am Not much of an investor and my question is: How would “Capital Gain” be determined? If you buy a 1oz gold coin from a private seller for $1000 and later sell it to another buyer for $2000 ——where is the record of the sales and reporting coming from? Especially if the sale is a cash sale? I thought one of the attractions of buying gold was to possess ‘physical gold’?
From the IRS perspective gold is treated as a collectable, and it is on you to maintain such records however you obtained it. Obviously, a notebook entry rather than a receipt from a business like APMEX (which maintains records of and reports sales) is whatever you put in it at the time you enter it.

A cash sale of your gold is a different issue. But let's say you sell four eagles for 20K in cash. You can now either meter out that cash for items small enough not to attract attention or deposit it. If you deposit it and do not declare it as income, you are asking for an IRS inquiry. Depending on your income, that declaration is likely to cost more in taxes than the 28% on the capital gain. Should your heirs inherit the gold from you, the cost basis clock starts then for them.

By the way, gun collections are treated essentially the same way if inherited. So, if you have a truly valuable collection that will not be used by an heir, the smart move is to not necessarily maintain records of initial acquisition cost, but provide your heirs with the contact information of a smart, knowledgeable appraiser who can provide a generous valuation for each firearm. That establishes the cost basis for let's say your spouse who has no real interest in the collection. The guns go to the right auction, and depending on the grading of the appraiser, your spouse will be left with little in the way of a capital gain, and quite likely can declare a loss.
 
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From the IRS perspective gold is treated as a collectable, and it is on you to maintain such records however you obtained it. Obviously, a notebook entry rather than a receipt from a business like APMEX (which maintains records of and reports sales) is whatever you put in it at the time you enter it.

A cash sale of your gold is a different issue. But let's say you sell four eagles for 20K in cash. You can now either meter out that cash for items small enough not to attract attention or deposit it. If you deposit it and do not declare it as income, you are asking for an IRS inquiry. Depending on your income, that declaration is likely to cost more in taxes than the 28% on the capital gain. Should your heirs inherit the gold from you, the cost basis clock starts then for them.

By the way, gun collections are treated essentially the same way if inherited. So, if you have a truly valuable collection that will not be used by an heir, the smart move is to not necessarily maintain records of initial acquisition cost, but provide your heirs with the contact information of a smart, knowledgeable appraiser who can provide a generous valuation for each firearm. That establishes the cost basis for let's say your spouse who has no real interest in the collection. The guns go to the right auction, and depending on the grading of the appraiser, your spouse will be left with little in the way of a capital gain, and quite likely can declare a loss.
I maintain notes on my collection so that my wife has a starting point of knowledge on it, but ultimately I've told her that in the event of my demise I want her to contact a specific pair of my friends for help getting Rock Island Auction to take over.
 
From the IRS perspective gold is treated as a collectable, and it is on you to maintain such records however you obtained it. Obviously, a notebook entry rather than a receipt from a business like APMEX (which maintains records of and reports sales) is whatever you put in it at the time you enter it.

A cash sale of your gold is a different issue. But let's say you sell four eagles for 20K in cash. You can now either meter out that cash for items small enough not to attract attention or deposit it. If you deposit it and do not declare it as income, you are asking for an IRS inquiry. Depending on your income, that declaration is likely to cost more in taxes than the 28% on the capital gain. Should your heirs inherit the gold from you, the cost basis clock starts then for them.

By the way, gun collections are treated essentially the same way if inherited. So, if you have a truly valuable collection that will not be used by an heir, the smart move is to not necessarily maintain records of initial acquisition cost, but provide your heirs with the contact information of a smart, knowledgeable appraiser who can provide a generous valuation for each firearm. That establishes the cost basis for let's say your spouse who has no real interest in the collection. The guns go to the right auction, and depending on the grading of the appraiser, your spouse will be left with little in the way of a capital gain, and quite likely can declare a loss.

I’ll need to remember to pass that info on to my future inheritors.
 
I’ll need to remember to pass that info on to my future inheritors.
At my age that whole future thing is closer than I like. :rolleyes:
 
Going to need a bigger basement.
(FF to the 3 minute mark).
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Buy stocks or bars for the safe deposit box ?
I don't really have any ideas and am open to good suggestions.
Yes, I know it's too expensive at the moment, but that's always the case.
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@Foxi
Gold and silver I have none but I'm rich in other ways. The love of a good wife and family as well as the ability to still hunt.
Gold has attained stupid prices in the last 12 months.
A few years ago it was less than $1,000 and ounce now it's $4,600 / ounce as of this morning.
If'n I had the money I would have bought years ago and sold recently.
Commodities like minerals,gold and silver fluctuate in prices and you never know when the bubble will burst and you do your arse in your investment. To be viable you need to be in for the long haul.
Personally if I had any gold I would be selling it now at the stupid high price and reinvest in something more secure but that's me as a person that's an old blue collar worker.

Someone once told me money is like manure. It's only good if it's spread around. Just wish someone would spread some my way ( money not manure)

I don't even buy lotto tickets because if I can't win an argument with my wife I can't win lotto. But I have been told I have more chance of winning lotto than an argument with my wife.
Bob
 
I invest in Gold, Silver and Copper. Coins. I once owned shares of a gold mine but they went bust and so did my investment. I also own gold bars, as in gram bars of various sizes. When I travel out of the country I wear a belt that has some of these hidden in the belt. That way when the SHTF I’ve got some bargaining chips to use to get away or out. I buy my precious metals thru APMEX.
@Sourdough
Hopefully this doesn't come across as racist or stereotyping but a while back I watched a show on tv involving prostitution, drugs and crime.

The people interviewed were African American that were heavily involved in these things.
When they got caught and arrested and usually bailed. Bail was set at high prices like 50-100 thousand dollars. These people didn't have that money in spare cash laying around but what the did have was all that gold bling hanging around their necks and usually 24ct.
Bail bondsman comes along off comes some bling to the value needed and done.
This particular gent said it was better than money always on hand and less chance of getting robbed. He called it his insurance.
So yes gold in hand can help when TSHTF.
Bob
 
I am with you on this one. "Hack silver" was a medium of exchange through much of the Middle Ages when coined silver was difficult to obtain. I think I can visualize a situation where such material would be of great utility as the initial survival days are overcome.
@Red Leg
Guns and bullets in that situation would be better as those with gold and silver that don't have gun will need protection from those that wish to take it nefariously.
Protection by person with gun and bullets don't come cheap.
Therefore I deduce young Watson that those with both guns and bullets will survive quite well unless someone is better with gun and bullets and wants your job.
Bob
 
Yes, mega gold necklaces and jewelry in general along with watches still isn’t looked at as currency. Like gold bullion or coins are. So it’s favorable for use in black market deals.

Technically you are supposed to declare jewelry and watches over $10,000 when traveling abroad. But it’s rarely enforced.
 

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