Death of Zimbabwe’s Best-Loved Lion Ignites Debate on Sport Hunting

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    I said in another thread that I have only had one person out of all of the people I've talked to about the lion say that I was just flat footed wrong.

    It was this guy. :Bear:
     
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    Man Friday, August 7, 2015: Cecil the Lion

    Tony Weaver


    IT WILL go down in history as the first global act of mass mob justice, of cyber-bullying on an unprecedented scale. “It” is, of course, the mass hysteria around the hunting to death of Cecil the lion by American dentist, Dr Walter Palmer.

    It really has been a truly bizarre three weeks since the lion’s death was first reported: I won’t make the obvious comparisons between there being no similar mass outpouring of grief over the hundreds of thousands dead in Syria, Iraq, Libya. Or mention the lack of global outrage at the ongoing abuse of human rights by the Mugabe regime in Zimabwe. Or, or, or….

    And I also have to add the ritual disclaimer here that although I used to hunt as a teenager, I now intensely dislike hunting, but I do support sustainable, ethical hunting as a valuable conservation tool. Sadly, it does seem as though Dr Palmer was perhaps as much a victim as the late Cecil – the victim of what on the surface would appear to be an illegal hunt conducted in dubious circumstances.

    Objectively Cecil has achieved far more in death than he ever achieved in life (and it is important to point out that at the age of 13, he was very close to the end of his natural life, 14 at the outside in the wild, and perhaps 20 in captivity).

    His death has brought into sharp profile the declining numbers of lions in the wild in Africa; it has shone a bright light on the hunting industry and the divide between ethical and unethical players; it has (once all the emotion, hubris and rhetoric is ignored) got a good debate going on whether or not conservation and hunting are compatible; and as of Wednesday this week, had raised nearly R11-million in donations for Oxford University’s Wildlife Conservation Research Unit. The unit, which had Cecil as one of its objects of study, says it will now be able to expand its research on Kalahari lions beyond the small study area in Hwange.

    It’s the debate about hunting versus conservation that has intrigued me for years. Animal rights activists refuse to entertain any notion that the two are compatible, with extremists saying they would rather see species going extinct than allowing hunting. Frankly, they are the real enemies of wildlife conservation.

    The numbers tell the story. Let’s look at the relatively short history of wildlife conservation in South Africa as an object lesson. By the end of the 19th Century, South Africa’s large wildlife had been all but hunted out. By 1905, Major James Stevenson Hamilton, first warden of the Sabi Game Reserve, the forerunner of the Kruger National Park, estimated that there were just 10 elephants in the reserve. By 1925, when Kruger was officially proclaimed, there were estimated to be 100. By 1967, when the first helicopter census was conducted, there were 6 586. Today there are over 13 000, and park authorities have started closing down man-made water points in an attempt to control their numbers.

    SANParks, the authority in charge of Kruger, has under its control 3.7 million hectares of land. Private owners control 14.7m hectares dedicated to wildlife conservation, 17.9 percent of the total agricultural land in South Africa. Wildlife numbers on private land have gone from an estimated 575 000 in 1966, to over 19 million in 2013. Most of that privately owned land is conserved for hunting.

    Foreign trophy hunters on average bring in R1 billion a year. But more importantly, domestic “biltong hunters” contribute up to R6 billion a year to the economy, according to a 2011 study by three academics at North West University. As the old conservation saying goes, “if it pays, it stays”.

    Perhaps the cyber-bullies who have forced Dr Walter Palmer into hiding and closed down his dental practice should do some research before whipping up mass hysteria. But that wouldn’t suit the animal rights, preservationist agenda, would it?
     

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    Good article, do you have a link to this?
     

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    Link?
     

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    Phil, it was written by my brother in law's brother Toni Weaver, I received it via email, will try find out if there is a link to a site.
     

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    This is actually a organisation? No lack of self esteem with these boys:A Big Thanx:

    Sampeo (South Africa’s Most Proven and Experienced Outfitters)
     

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    Sampeo??
     

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    John Jackson III was on C-Span this am discussing the issues surrounding big game hunting and wildlife conservation. A couple of real nut cases dialed in and took a shot at him. In general I was disappointed with his effort. Reminded of me of senile old Robert Byrd defending his KKK membership in the Senate. He did an effective job at framing the circumstances on the ground, dollars involved, benefit to community, etc. in his preamble. Got an A there. Where I felt he failed to prepare was in addressing the callers. Very tame and very lame in response. Not too quick on his feet.

    One woman indicated she knew someone with something like 200 plus "endangered species" in his trophy room and Jackson did not address this at all. Just circled back to his talking points about how Ducks unlimited has preserved millions of acres of wetlands.

    His response to "how can you do this so such a majestic animal" was also lame. He missed a golden opportunity to present an alternative viewpoint and explain why we hunt vs park our car next to a pride and get the camera out. He also never made the statement: "Caller, what you are missing is that if legal sport hunters don't take the shot, you assume that the animals will live on, when in reality they will die by other hands. A sugar cane plantation owner beside Kruger is only going to put up with so much crop damage."
     

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    I will say it is with a sore heart of hear your comments about John Jackson, he's always tried his hardest to help in hunting circles. At present I am busy with him regarding elephant imports.
     

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    Yes Simon Sampeo:D:D Six Outfitters founded in 2010.
     

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    I have absolutely no doubt that Mr. Jackson did his best. And nobody could ever doubt his efforts past or present. I wish I had his resume. But...I just called it the way I saw it. He needed to take the callers head on and with his intelligence present more food for thought, and a little more emotional defence, without going all "Ted Nugent" on them. Surely he had to know in advance that the callers would be a "sh*t storm."
     
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    Wheels said:
    Glad to know they sanctioned JR. Just wish I knew what that meant. Does anyone know?


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    @elmerfudd555 , my comment was not aimed at you, just I felt sad by the facts you stated.
     

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    I've seen their ad in a recent African Outfitter. They, like anyone else, are entitled to their views, but making them public like this splits the hunting fraternity and helps no one other than the antis.

    Let me be clear, since I don't want to get caught up in a free speech war (again): You can hold any belief you want, and you can broadcast that belief anywhere, anytime. But let's not be naive - there are lots of people ready and willing to take advantage of divisions among hunters. If you want to advertise that you are against captive-bred lion hunting, feel free, but again, don't be naive. You know you are helping those who would ban all lion hunting, and then other captive raised animal hunting.
     

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    Hank you get make a good point. I think all of us here for the most part of ethical hunters. However, if you find a larger percentage of anti's agreeing with you then the percentage of hunters. It might be a good idea to keep that position quiet.

    There is a certain type of hunting I disagree with but no one will ever be the wiser because I just keep that to myself. It is a situation where if we give an inch, we may look back and see that as the turning point.
     
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    Maybe some humour to lighten the mood folks,this is a prank call from a well known radio presenter in SA. It has SA,Zim,fences and of course a Lion mixed right in there:)
     
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    one way to get your picture up in lights..........;)

    Cecil the lion's face is projected on the Empire State Building on Aug. 1, 2015.

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