Ferrari vs Lamborghini, I think personal preference. Personally, I like Wesley Richards. Also, Rigby, for all practical purposes, is a brand new company since the trademark was resurrected in the UK. Whether they will live up to their history in doubles remains to be seen.Not wanting to hijack this thread, but what do the experts feel about a comparison between a Rigby double rifle and a Westley Richards double rifle?
Not wanting to hijack this thread, but what do the experts feel about a comparison between a Rigby double rifle and a Westley Richards double rifle?
A very good point there regarding if a firm retires and no parts or fix help turns up.A heym 89b is a superior design over the searcy models.
Add to that, the heym has a warranty that is transferrable, even though they are built to a level of quality that indicates you probably wont’ need it.
But Searcy? Searcy has no warranty, contrary to what you may hear. This is evidenced by the fact that a member here had a searcy that was built wholly defective. It was fixed improperly once by Mr. Searcy as it needed new barrels and a new forend due to factory defects. Not only would Mr. Searcy not fix it, he came onto this forum and stated publicly on this forum that he’ll never work on that rifle again, ever. So not only did he build it improperly and make it worse with a horrible repair job, he then went on a forum and told people it has no warranty making it all but impossible for the seller to get rid of at any price. I think the seller, Matt, lost about $10,000 selling the basket case.
From what I gather, Butch has a real following of “buddies” over on the AR forum. It seems he sells a lot to friends. A friendship is not a warranty. And if Mr. Searcy every retires? Well then even all the friends that bought his guns are SOL.
Buying a Searcy gun for the price they cost, in light of the serious defects I’ve seen in them that he would not warranty, should give you great pause.
In the list above, I would swap 1 & 2; only because I love the old world craftsmanship. I didn't know about the issues with Searcy. Can someone call up the thread with the above statements as to warranty? I would like to read Butch's side of ther story. As to my likes, as I only play with pre war doubles from the UK, I can't comment on the others due to inexperience.
a few years back i purchased this rifle from its original owner for $11,000.00. unfortunately i found the rifle had trouble with damaging its spent brass. this hadnt been a problem or even worth noticing by the original owner since he didnt hand load but it was a problem for me. i sent the rifle...www.africahunting.com
Now let me tell my side of the story,
Matt sent the rifle to me at a time when I was going thru allot of medical issues.
Also I did fix the issue that the rifle was sent to me for. I also shot the rifle with the ammo he sent and it shot fine. He says he went thru hell for a couple of years. I also I went thru hell at the time, two knee surgeries, back surgery,
and a total hip replacement, and he new that.
Any issues he had with the rifle wasn't there when I sent it back to him.
I heard about this from a member on here.
Rest assured that I will not work on this rifle no matter who decide to buy it.
What do you think about that Supercat
To reiterate paragraph three - be very, very careful buying a vintage gun in this country. As I have noted here before, my education in these wonderful things was long and rather expensive. It is imperative that someone new to the doubles game (shotgun or rifle) lean on the experience of someone who truly knows their way around such guns. Ideally, it should be sent to someone like JJ Perodeau for an evaluation before finalizing the deal. Another option is utilizing a buying service such as offered by Diggory Haddock. Either can save a prospective buyer enormous heartache.I feel compelled to chime in here. I’m fortunate in my line of work to come in contact with a wide variety of rifles in different calibers from different makers. The following comments are from first hand experience.
Firstly, let me say welcome to the club. Now down to business. I noticed you only mentioned two of the current makers, I have to assume it’s for a reason but in the interest of thoroughness I will comment with my opinion on each that I have experience with.
British modern/vintage - I think I can safely assume that if British rifles where on the table you wouldn’t have mentioned any of the others. We call covet the British makers, especially the classics, but for practically purposes I won’t expand upon them other than to say that the new ones are tremendously expensive and the vintage rifles, while there are some that will be just fine , there are more that will require some if not more than a fair amount of work to get right. Unless some crazy unforeseen event occurs, I can assure you that before I leave this world I will have the pleasure of owning a WR Droplock, period.
Heym - As many others here have said, they are great rifles. While not an 89b yet, I’ve had the pleasure of using and seeing many others being used in the field. As of today, I haven’t seen a single one that wouldn’t shoot straight or any that have had any mechanical issues. I think with the introduction of their 89b they have brought to the table something that a lot of people are looking for, British styling and German engineering. They are made to fit, which I believe is an important aspect of shooting any rifle, especially a double that it’s intended use is dangerous game at close range. On top of that, Chris Sells is a friendly, helpful, and knowledgeable man.
VC - The two men that I’ve met concerning VC, Ken and Jerome, were both very pleasant and I believe had the best of intentions. Now that I’ve said that, in all honesty this is the one brand I would avoid completely if your plan is to work your rifle hard as you said. As a client rifle, perhaps they are fine and they certainly look the part but as a working gun they honestly give me chills. I’ve had several in camp and owned by friends that have had a laundry list of issues. It’s my opinion that the primary problem they face is the steel used in their actions and internals happens to be too soft. I also don’t particularly care for their lock-up design. They can most definitely build beautiful guns but strong they are not. I must say that I know many people are are tickled pink with theirs, both client and professional, but I personally wouldn’t trust my life with one when given a choice.
K-gun - I don’t have much to say about these guys except that every one I’ve ever come in contact with has been strong, accurate, and safe. Personally, I don’t care for their general appearance or stock design. I find that because of their stock design, the recoil in any given caliber is substantially exaggerated. And to top it off, that cocking device of theirs is a damned nuisance. However, I do find that people who own and use them often love them. One of my mentor/associates being one of them.
Merkel - If I were of an average build (I am) and were in the market to simply scratch the double rifle itch, this would be what I bought. I used a pair, .470 and .500, for a while and they both fit me reasonably well and shot straight. Never an issue.
Searcy- I’ve only ever seen two and they both worked just fine. I have talked with the man on the phone and he was nothing but helpful and gracious.
To wrap it up, there are many considerations and different aspects to consider when diving into this realm of double rifles. There are many fine folks with vast amounts of knowledge here that are giving solid advice and I can only hope I have helped in some small way. Happy hunting and straight shooting. Cheers.