I have wondered why many Southern African countries have citizens screaming about CITES and how out of touch it is with the reality and in effect dysfunctional the whole process is. Some people going even further, suggesting that withdrawing from CITES is required. CoP18 Proposal 12 UPLISTING ELEPHANT in BOTSWANA, SOUTH AFRICA AND ZIMBABWE Are you #%$^&*&&&*@$*&+_)(%@ kidding me? A proposal put forward by who? Look at the second column. Supposedly WEST and NORTHERN AFRICAN COUNTRIES proposing the up listing. If this is not evidence of VOTE BUYING to manipulate the system I don't know what is. Witnessing this proposal, I am now convinced of the perspective taken by some in Southern Africa that CITES IS BROKEN. What ever happened to science?