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Caveat emptor… that’s Latin darlin evidently… the buyer should beware.

I apologize in advance gentleman as this is going to be little more than a rant. As some of you know I recently purchased a Baikal single shot in .308 and did a post about it calling it Ivan the terrible.

While in the process of buying Ivan I ordered 200 rounds of .308 federal from G4C a Canadian online firearms and ammunition supplier. Now in the interest of full disclosure I had the option of purchasing shipping insurance at the time and opted out as in my experience selling guns on gunpost insurance in Canada won’t cover firearms or ammunition anyway and is just a waste of money.

To say that the experience getting the ammunition was a disaster is an understatement. The ammunition was shipped via purolator and required a signature for delivery so on the scheduled date we left fishing hours early in order for me to be home in time to sign for my package inconveniencing not only me but the rest of the fishing crew. Thankfully they are all also hunters and shooters so they understood. I then waited all afternoon only for it to be rescheduled to evening which could be as late as 9pm. 9 pm comes and goes still no package. So I call and spend well over and hour on hold before finally getting some woman with a very limited grasp of the English language on the phone who couldn’t even tell me where my package was. Then continued to blame me for giving them the wrong address despite confirming it was in fact my address. For those that don’t know I own the property I was raised on so. This has literally been my address my entire life. Further they would not allow me to confirm my own address as I was the receiver and not the shipper.

Reached out to G4C and someone there was able to convince purolator that I did in fact live at my own address and that I would have my package Saturday. Was originally supposed to have it on Friday. Saturday spent all day waiting for my package and actually watched the purolator guy slow up on his way by read my house number and then drive by no package.

At this point I’ve got no delivery date and no package and can’t reach out to anyone until business hours Monday so I had to take a day of fishing costing me money. Monday the the package finally arrived before I was able to track it down thankfully I was home and able to sign for them.

when I did receive them they were literally soaked. The shipping packaging was sopping wet with an actual puddle in the box and the federal blue boxes were also soaked. I had to lay out and dry all of the shells individually and the boxes were ruined. I photographed the condition everything arrived in and sent the photos to G4C and whomever is in the shipping office said they would look into it.
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Today I finally got an email back after waiting the best part of a month. The long and short of it was G4C blamed purolator who won’t even talk to me as I’m the receiver and asked me if the ammunition was still functional. While I don’t know about any of you gentleman but the only sure fire way I know to check function of ammunition is fire it or pull it apart and reload it both so that seems like a stupid question to me. They then offered me 5% off anything already in my cart with them.. this was my first purchase from them an a disaster so i obviously don’t have anything else waiting to be shipped from them in the que so 5% of nothing is nothing. To be clear they didn’t even offer 5% off my next order they offered 5% of anything in my cart…

So to recap I’ve got 200 loose rounds that have been soaked for an unknown amount of time that I probably wouldn’t trust to carry in the field.

The only winner I see in this one is my step son he gained 200 rounds to shoot at plates this summer to the gun range.

Thankfully I’ve been blessed to be in a position the last few years where a 400 loss like that is not the end of the world and just a minor inconvenience but I’m not so far removed from the years where that kind of an experience would of been a disaster as to not be annoyed..

There it is end of rant for all of you who stuck around to the end thanks for letting me vent and keep your powder dry…
 
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Should still be fine. I’d dry em like you did then get a lightly oiled cloth and give them all a rub.

Sucky experience for you, sorry to hear about it. That’s an extremely soaked package for sure! Was it left in the rain?
 
Should still be fine. I’d dry em like you did then get a lightly oiled cloth and give them all a rub.

Sucky experience for you, sorry to hear about it. That’s an extremely soaked package for sure! Was it left in the rain?

I met the driver at his van and he handed it to me , not sure if the used it as a door stop or something beforehand or what.
 
What was the price per round?

Just to check was it worthy of the effort?
And is it still worthy for 200 plinking rounds, at least for that?
 
Seems like so many courier companies nowadays are unreliable in delivery times and quality of package handling and care. USPS keeps getting worse with their priority letters. I've sold a few guns lately and the buyers usually send payment using priority letters which states on the envelope 2-3 day delivery. It usually takes at least a week and one took 12 days. Waiting for one now that was mailed last Tuesday so we'll see when it arrives.
 
Ditto on the unreliable delivery times. I know I've wasted countless days waiting on "signatur required" deliveries that never came.
As to the soaked package, once I discovered it was that soaked, I'd be hard pressed to have opened it any further. I'd definitely be raising holy hell on both the vendor and shipping co. But I have to admit I've received guns that got caught in a flood and shotgun ammo that had clearly gotten wet, dried and rusted from a nation-wide sporting goods store.
At any rate, one might wonder if some tree-hugging nut-job got hold of it or, to your point, if it has been raining anywhere along the route, it was left unprotected for a long period of time.
 
Chances are the ammo is fine, I would tumble them for a couple minutes in some walnuts media that is just barely damp with Kerosene/lighter fluid.

This will remove dissolved solids(salt, calcium,ect) as well as leave a protective coating on the outside that will prevent corrosion/oxidation.

Also - don’t worry about shipping insurance; I’ve paid it on 5 packages that were lost by USPS and have never been paid for any of them.

The USPS investigates its own insurance claims and finds they did nothing wrong…. Even when their own delivery map shows it was delivered to the wrong house.
 
Here is mine, in EUR:
(this is hunting ammunition, not FMJ)
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Did it have to be moved on ferry? That might explain why it was soaked.

One of the disadvantages of living remotely is services can be unreliable. But you get to go fishing every day. That makes it worth it I think. What crop are you harvesting these days? Cod still off limits?
 
@Ontario Hunter nova Scotia isn’t and island so I can’t see needing to be moved via ferry. I fish lobster the season ended the end of may and won’t reopen until the last Monday in November later in the summer we will make a few trips for halibut and possibly a trip or two swordfish sticking if I can hire on anywhere.
 
Didn't realize you are on the mainland. I have a buddy who relocated out there back to his family home (fishermen) and he's on an island. But officially Quebec I believe.
 
It's not surprising that the USPS looses $25 million per day.
Typical of a govt Mickey Mouse club. I've watched my mail carrier drive by my house and not stop when I had my flag up for mail pickup.
 
Different brand. Ppu is cheap everywhere lol. What about the stuff he bought compared to what the same box costs where you are?
Here is Hornady, I took sample screenshot, with common calibers. Look at superformce line.
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You can compare with Norma ammo:

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Caveat emptor… that’s Latin darlin evidently… the buyer should beware.

I apologize in advance gentleman as this is going to be little more than a rant. As some of you know I recently purchased a Baikal single shot in .308 and did a post about it calling it Ivan the terrible.

While in the process of buying Ivan I ordered 200 rounds of .308 federal from G4C a Canadian online firearms and ammunition supplier. Now in the interest of full disclosure I had the option of purchasing shipping insurance at the time and opted out as in my experience selling guns on gunpost insurance in Canada won’t cover firearms or ammunition anyway and is just a waste of money.

To say that the experience getting the ammunition was a disaster is an understatement. The ammunition was shipped via purolator and required a signature for delivery so on the scheduled date we left fishing hours early in order for me to be home in time to sign for my package inconveniencing not only me but the rest of the fishing crew. Thankfully they are all also hunters and shooters so they understood. I then waited all afternoon only for it to be rescheduled to evening which could be as late as 9pm. 9 pm comes and goes still no package. So I call and spend well over and hour on hold before finally getting some woman with a very limited grasp of the English language on the phone who couldn’t even tell me where my package was. Then continued to blame me for giving them the wrong address despite confirming it was in fact my address. For those that don’t know I own the property I was raised on so. This has literally been my address my entire life. Further they would not allow me to confirm my own address as I was the receiver and not the shipper.

Reached out to G4C and someone there was able to convince purolator that I did in fact live at my own address and that I would have my package Saturday. Was originally supposed to have it on Friday. Saturday spent all day waiting for my package and actually watched the purolator guy slow up on his way by read my house number and then drive by no package.

At this point I’ve got no delivery date and no package and can’t reach out to anyone until business hours Monday so I had to take a day of fishing costing me money. Monday the the package finally arrived before I was able to track it down thankfully I was home and able to sign for them.

when I did receive them they were literally soaked. The shipping packaging was sopping wet with an actual puddle in the box and the federal blue boxes were also soaked. I had to lay out and dry all of the shells individually and the boxes were ruined. I photographed the condition everything arrived in and sent the photos to G4C and whomever is in the shipping office said they would look into it.
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Today I finally got an email back after waiting the best part of a month. The long and short of it was G4C blamed purolator who won’t even talk to me as I’m the receiver and asked me if the ammunition was still functional. While I don’t know about any of you gentleman but the only sure fire way I know to check function of ammunition is fire it or pull it apart and reload it both so that seems like a stupid question to me. They then offered me 5% off anything already in my cart with them.. this was my first purchase from them an a disaster so i obviously don’t have anything else waiting to be shipped from them in the que so 5% of nothing is nothing. To be clear they didn’t even offer 5% off my next order they offered 5% of anything in my cart…

So to recap I’ve got 200 loose rounds that have been soaked for an unknown amount of time that I probably wouldn’t trust to carry in the field.

The only winner I see in this one is my step son he gained 200 rounds to shoot at plates this summer to the gun range.

Thankfully I’ve been blessed to be in a position the last few years where a 400 loss like that is not the end of the world and just a minor inconvenience but I’m not so far removed from the years where that kind of an experience would of been a disaster as to not be annoyed..

There it is end of rant for all of you who stuck around to the end thanks for letting me vent and keep your powder dry…
@Tubby’s Canteen
Lucky it wasn't the rifle that arrived in a puddle and covered in rust.
I can't see a reason they won't be fine. With modern practices they are more waterproof than old cartridges. Fire half a dozen and see how they go. You may be surprised.
Bob
 

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