Buying a game farm

Discussion in 'Hunting Africa' started by lwaters, Oct 4, 2012.

  1. lwaters

    lwaters BRONZE SUPPORTER AH Fanatic

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    Is it actually feasible for someone from a different country to be able to buy land in South Africa, Namibia, or Botswaina. Me and my wife have a lifetime government pension from the US federal government so we could take the risk and not end up in the poor house. Hell the government could have it back when I kick the bucket.
     
  2. BRICKBURN

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    Simple answer is yes.
    There are some complicated issues to deal with, land claims, etc, etc.
    A good realtor and lawyer will be invaluable in this adventure.
    Good luck.
     
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    I'm not sure it's worth the trouble. I have thought about it too.
     
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    I think we have all thought about it. The most important thing to remember when entering into something like this is that you must be sure to have a room ready for AHers at all times! :D :D :D
     
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  5. shakari

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    Anyone who even considers that needs their heads read....... All of Africa is increasingly adopting a policy of Africa for Africans & no matter who tells you what, land seizure will ALWAYS be a VERY real possibility....... South Africa being one of the most at risk countries in this regard....... One day, Julius Malema or someone similar (but probably Malema) is going to be President & when that happens, he's going to make Mugabe look like a saint.

    If you want to see what can happen buy yourself a copy of Robert Mugabe & the White African.
     
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    Sir,

    Are you still interested in information ref. your inquiry?

    Looking forward to hear from you.

    Charl van Rooyen
    Owner
    Infinito Safaris
     
  7. shakari

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    Sorry if my last post was a bit brusque.... I was tied up with something else and had to dash out.

    To add to my previous comments:

    Many African countries, especially southern African countries will let you buy a property without any hassles but firstly many of them will expect you to take in a local partner and by that, they mean a black African partner and if you're gonna do that, you need to make sure it's someone who has influence rather than a someone like a local tracker etc....... so you effectively give half or a large percentage of your business/money away before you even start...... if you don't have to do it immediately, there's a bloody good chance you'll have to do it sooner or later.

    Then if you do buy somewhere, you'll probably think you'll spend your time hunting on your own place or sitting around enjoying the sunsets etc...... and nothing could be further from the truth because you'll soon find you're tied to the office dealing with the business of running a game farm & ensuring some bugger isn't trying to steal from you. Then you have to worry about things like water pumps, poachers, game departments, fuel prices, wages, strikes, game fences, neighbours, security/crime and then comes the politics and politics of dealing with the game dept etc etc etc...... These things really are a massive amount of work, worry & hassle.

    I'm sure that as soon as people find out you're considering investing money in Africa, you'll get lots of offers of help and guidance etc but you need to be VERY careful about everything you say & do before parting with even a single cent.

    Getting money into Africa is never a problem but getting it out is ALWAYS a problem and you can very easily lose massive amounts of money.

    Don't think I'm having a pop at any individuals here because I'm not but I do have an awful lot of experience with Africa, African politicians, banks, game depts & the hunting business etc and from my experience, I wouldn't recommend anyone invest in anything that wasn't essential & couldn't be driven/flown/moved across a border.
     
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  8. James.Grage

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    I also have had invited to be an part owner - investor in a game ranch.

    On a flight to South Africa i had the chance to visit with a world banker and his recommendation was do not do it. Reasons are as mentioned above by Shakari...

    The World Banker also provided guidance: To top it off if you invest or purchase a game farm-ranch be prepared to lose your investment and sooner rather than later. Plus you will need to be there physically to protect your investment.
     
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    Oh & I think I forgot to mention fire, flood, drought & farm murders....... if you think that last one isn't too much of a worry, try doing a Google or You Tube search on South African farm murders........ Some/many organisations are now classifying these as genocide.

    Funny it ain't!
     
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    Well have no dought your other thread had already gotton that idea out of my head but this one puts the icing on the cake, guess if I want a place over there I'll just rent it by the day and hunt other outfitters farms.
     
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    Much better to rent & be the guest....... and you also get to see a wide variety of places. :)
     
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    As mentioned above we have all thought about this. But the realist will soon figure out its a non starter and waaaayyyyy more trouble than its worth. Most anytime a guy tries to turn his beloved hobby into a job it quickly becomes the job he wishes was his hobby again.
     
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    You are probably right. I should be real happy that I can hunt deer and turkeys here on my own property in the US. To old to start over and like was posted you can just be a quest and hunt alot of different areas. I think about Namibia that I liked through was that no one hardly lives there
     
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    I remember when I took my older brother to Namibia for his first safari and he started talking about moving there. I laughed. I said yeah sure, its winter time right now. Summers are a little different!
     
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    The weather in Namibia in May was wonderful. The last two summers here in Kansas we have had over 25 days of 100 plus and a drought. It is nice to have tornadoes and not much rain.
     
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    In my neck o the woods, 90 is really hot! Pacific NW. We had a long dry summer this year but not very warm. Max temp was maybe 90 once and a few high 80's. Took a long time to get here though. Every day on the news we kept hearing about all the record heat in "every corner of the country"! We laughed! Didnt happen here.

    Was in Namibia in June of '07 and it was very cold in the mornings and afternoons were nice but rarely very hot. In RSA in '09 we had frost several mornings. Zim mornings were chilly in '11 as well. Tanzania and Botswana were the warmest hunts for me.
     
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    In my neck of the cacti we're just thrilled that high temps may not make the 90's tomorrow for the first time since May! :mad:
     
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    Saw 36 degrees in Forest Lakes a few weeks ago....it was perfect with nice afternoons. Another few weeks we'll be there here.
     
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    http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/04/south-african-president-calls-for-confiscating-white-owned-land/



    South African president Jacob Zuma this week called for the confiscation of land owned by white people in his country — without any restitution made to the Caucasian property owners.

    In a speech given Friday morning, Zuma said the proposal would be the result of establishing a “pre-colonial land audit of land use and occupation patterns” that would determine what land needs to be taken. The move would require an overwhelming majority in parliament to change the law to allow the expropriation, according to The Telegraph.

    “We need to accept the reality that those who are in parliament where laws are made, particularly the black parties, should unite because we need a two-thirds majority to effect changes in the constitution,” the South African president argued.

    Zuma had previously mentioned the land grab in a speech to parliament last month, but this week marked the first time he had explicitly called for altering the law to do so.


    The proposal appears to be a response to the declining fortunes of Zuma’s political party, the African National Congress (ANC), whose long reign of power in the post-apartheid era is being challenged by rising parties.

    The radical Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF), headed by former ANC leader Julius Malema, is one of the parties gaining ground on Zuma’s party and is fully in favor of confiscating white-owned land without compensation.

    Malema has long voiced anti-white hatred and support for seizing white-owned land going back to his days as an ANC youth leader. Recently, he has been traveling the country to advocate for the land seizure from white invaders and “Dutch thugs,” according to The Telegraph.

    The EFF chief believes the measure will “unite black people in South Africa.” “People of South Africa, where you see a beautiful land, take it, it belongs to you,” Malema said in the proposal’s favor.

    However, a South African research group says it is “almost impossible” to find a racial breakdown of land ownership in the country.

    “In the first place the state owns some 22 percent of the land in the country, including land in the former homelands, most of which is occupied by black subsistence farmers who have no title and seem unlikely to get it any time soon,” the Institute for Race Relations said in a statement. “This leaves around 78 percent of land in private hands, but the race of these private owners is not known.”

    Additionally, the proposed land grab has the potential to ignite racial conflict in the country only 23 years separated from apartheid. Some Afrikaner groups have called Zuma’s proposal a “declaration of war” and vowed to fight against any potential land seizure.

    “We are ready to fight back,” Andries Breytenbach, the chairman of the Boer Afrikaner Volksraad, asserted, according to The Telegraph. “We need urgent mediation between us and the government. If this starts, it will turn into a racial war which we want to prevent.”

    South Africa’s neighbor Zimbabwe has enacted similar legislation that has allowed the government to seize white-owned land without compensation. Malema has praised Zimbabwe’s action numerous times, but the move cost the country billions of dollars in lost production and led to a wide-scale agricultural collapse.



    Tags: Jacob Zuma, South Africa


    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/04/s...-confiscating-white-owned-land/#ixzz4aPAqqBep
     
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