Might as well just use a 180 gr Woodleigh Hydrostatic solid then...surely the heaviest barnesx in this calibre would do the job well.
if it happened to go right through that would not be an issue?
Good to see you Von S. I noted that you had been quite absent from the forum recently. I hope everything is going fine for you250-3000AI?.........257 Roberts?........... 25-06?......…257 Weatherby? Please point out what dramatic improvement goes on here?
surely the heaviest barnesx in this calibre would do the job well.
I was going to abound on IvW's side of the argument and comment to bruce moulds that at the 30-378 speed up close (3,400 fps) the Barnes will probably shed its petals, hence it will likely become a solid after shedding 25% of its mass... ...but then upon further thinking, I had the good sense to remember that the .257 Wby 100 gr TTSX flies at 3,570 fps and does very fine, thank you very much, up close including in tough game. There is an endless collection of pictures on various blogs of 100 gr TTSX propelled at blistering speed out of a .257 Wby pipe that blossomed beautifully and retained all 4 petals after colliding with devastating effect at 50 to 100 yd into wild hogs, black bears, etc. not to mention at any distance with deer, antelope (Pronghorn), etc... or even elk...Might as well just use a 180 gr Woodleigh Hydrostatic solid then.
300WM good for Eland also. As typically happens in Africa, I encountered an Eland unexpectedly while looking for other game. Shot the eland at 250 yards w/ 300WM w/ 180 grain Barnes Vortex bullet - quartering away (so angled shot). The eland ran 80-100 yards before expiring.Consider a different caliber.
Definitely do not try a Nosler Accubond in 30-378 caliber in Africa.....
Your 300 WM with 200 gr premium grade bullets should be good for everything up to Eland.
i did some quick figuring, (had to take my shoes and socks off to get it right) and what i come up with from the above info, that for every 100 fps (approx) one gains about 10 yards on MPBR.
- the MPBR of the .257 Roberts 100 gr @ 3,000 fps is 286 yd; the Improved barely gets you an additional 10 yd.
- the MPBR of the 25-06 100 gr @ 3,210 fps is 305 yd;
- the MPBR of the .257 Wby Mag 100 gr @ 3,570 fps is 337 yd.
As I don't take out high value jet aircraft engines on a regular bases I will rather refrain from replying....A good answer "one day" and exactly what I expected.
If one Weatherby round is good then they are all good as they were designed the same way, just with different diameters and weights to take on different size animals.
Bullet failure........I sometimes believe that a few melodramatic babblers here have skirt hiking, leg wetting, nightmares of how just about every bullet made will upon impact with the first hair on a hare will turn into extra soft marshmallow and not penatrate due to " bullet failure".
After loading for over 50 years I have come to the realization that the reason why 99.9% of all game lost is due to " shooter failure" and not much else. And of course.....when the dummy with the gun can't miracle some poor stupid animal into taking a nosedive when his gun goes bang out comes the excuses.
The op seems like a nice guy and in posts #2 and #5 I made a attempt to see where he is coming from and offer some constructive advice to him.
It appears that some people here are of the belief that for some contrived reason that they are the first, the last, and the only word in what you should buy, use, think and say when it comes to do with anything about firearms.
God bless um.....
A fella started a topic a few months back about how stupid it was for anyone to shoot a deer with a Magnum caliber when the only thing needed was a 308.
Well....for the most part he was right, but what the hell does he or anyone else care what anyone shoots anything with? It's a personal choice.....just like guys who choose to hang out with fat chicks.
I have heard some real ph's say how they recommend the Accubond for killing the great cats as well das pg. Yet one fella doesn't recommend them for anything. Nosler does and after being in the business for so long I am sure they know quite a bit........as does Weatherby.
I have no dislike for any caliber or rifle for any reason as I feel that they all have their place in the grand scheme of things.
The op wants everything he shoots to dead in it's tracks. A noble and very wise thing to do. But if that is the case then anyone who has really killed many different animals instead of watching you-tube about killing animals will tell you that the only way to kill them and make them stay in one spot is to blow their brains out...no ifs ,ands or buts.
And if you can't....then you will get what you get
I go by the Bigger, badder, faster thought when it comes to killing animals....kinds like what the NFL does when it drafts players. The best team from the 50' s would get it's ass handed to them by the worst football team today just because of that reason.
As I have said on numerous occasions for numerously different reasons....." The 375 H&H Magnum is the finest one round hunting instrument for everything on the continent of Africa".
But like I said that there are many different reasons for saying that.
The "Queen of the medium bores"... A phrase coined by Jack O'connor ....is at best the absolute minimum for dg and is by no means a " stopper" by anyone who knows what they are talking about. It really does nothing wrong, but on the other hand it doesn't do much on the spectacular level either.
I would say that it's best attribute is that it gives the recoil shy a chance at hitting dg.....with a back up carrying a larger and appropriately more powerful rifle.....and taking home a cape' s head and a few " big bwanna glory shots".....especially the ones where bwanna is many feet behind said dead cow sized creature to make it look bigger than it is. Hey! Good for them....it's their money and their time.
Of course I always preferred my loin cloth/ sunglass/ spear pose with topless native girls myself.
I prefer the " King of medium bores" , the 378 Weatherby Magnum, which is very much more powerful, but yet I will not use it on dg as if you talk the talk, you better walk the walk. I believe that 45 caliber plus is the way to go.
I have a few 416s, but they like to be looked at and admired more then get carried about and scratched.
The 30-378 was developed at the governments request as a lightweight weapon to take out small high value targets like jet aircraft engines. It well exceeded the government specs and can exceed the 5000 fps max imposed.
It did catch on with long distance shooters and hunters because it is very good at what it does.....like all Weatherby rounds.
The 30-378 will exceed the excellence of all rounds before them by people who truly understand ballistics and are highly talented marksmen.
Like you...."one day"
On the 30-378 i have a leupold vx6 4-24 and on my 458 i have a leupold vx6 1-6. As far as how good of a shot i am id say pretty good. I have a 1000 yard range on my farm that i spend most of my free time at. But theres always more to learn.Good Brother One Day, a
Quit being a politician and spit out the truth.....
You use a Weatherby round because all others pale by comparison...
A kill shot at 500 yards or better is something to be extremely proud of. Some may call it sniping as to almost come out and insult the maker of a fine long distance kill shot and back pat and belly rub some doofuss who misses once, gut shoots once and blows the leg off an animal and all with 30 yards and is eventually blown to pieces by anyone and everyone with a gun.
As you well know....long range hunting and one shot killing is a commitment that will more than consume ones time, talent,and money and guys who don't completely commit should never attempt it as the failure rate is extremely high for the talentless or slack jawed pogues who think that the weapon will do all the killing by itself.
But we do have our newest bestest buddy " Dylan" to think about and his desire to give African pg one hell of a big what-fer with his extremely well made and ultra powerful 30- 378 that pretty much well has no factory rolled equals.
At 0 to 200 yards the insides of your common back yard variety of white tail deer's internal organs get ground up and vaporized with a 150 grain Nosler Partition. Did the bullet fail? How would I know? There was a giant hole out the other side that look like it was cut with a chain saw. So even if it did blow apart ....all the parts and what they grabbed onto left also. At 100 yards or closer it looked the same.. so even if it "failed" it failed in favor of the hunter and nothing took a step.
The 210 Accu LR was used on Caribou out to 700 yards and even at the the chest shots gave up no mushroomed bullets to oooooh! And aaaaah! At as the busted through with major league damage.
But ! A moose......a great big moose that my friend shot at 500 which went diagonally took out the organs and became part of the moose's ass in the end with wonderful expansion and massive tissue damage. One brown bear met his end at 200 with a chest pass through and major damage...he went about 10 yards before he nose dived.
But as the Brownie is a mean mother that 10 yards means a lot if you are 8 yards away, so a 45 caliber or bigger is more appropriate.
Now if Dylan will tell us what optics he has and just how good of a shot he really is I am sure that he will get all the help from everyone that he will ever need to be successful in his new adventures.
As for you "Mister One Day" , I am sure you can get out the slide rule and come up with a bullet that would be better than what I have offered.