Discussion in '.375 & Up' started by TOBY458, Apr 16, 2019.
Now you're just trying to start trouble!
How do you feel about the 416 Ruger caliber vs 416 Rem Mag?
I ordered some 550gr Woodleigh SP and Hydro solids. Hoping to get them within a couple inches of each other at 50 yards.
What velocity do you plan to push them in your 450?
For sure not over 2,200...but not below 2,100...
Sharp likes to get in close...and I really don't want to shoot at a buffalo at 50 yards if I can help it! Closer the better.
So I for certain will not exceed Woodleigh's recommended max impact velocity.
I have not decided for certain which rifle I am going to take. But if I can get a load moving the 550 at 2,150 or so, that prints near the Hydro (Sharp wants me to have some solids along) then that will help me make my decision.
I do not like either.
If I could only choose between these two, probably the 416 Ruger. If I could choose any 416 caliber I would choose the 416 Rigby.
If I had a choice of any 400 caliber I would take a 404 Jeff in a bolt and a 450/400 NE in a double. The 500/416 NE makes a lot of sense as well, excellent buffalo and lion caliber.
DON;T pass up a serious consideration of the current hornady bullets now offered in ,458 solid and soft at 500 g and 480 grain [copper steel clad ]
fit the caliber and the velocity-- just right -- affordable and available
and will be for a long time in to the future I have used em -- work very well -- also as suggested above the woodleighs -- can't beat em
I've heard they're bonding them now for better performance. Is that true?
We welcome Hornady to the late 20th Century
So many better bullets available, especially for DG! Good practice/plinking bullet though....
I can recommend the Woodleigh softs.
Recovered this 500grn bullet (Norma African PH 470NE advertised at 2150FPS) from a male Lion.
The lion turned & offered a heavy quartering away shot on the last day of our hunt, at 18M I Placed the bullet on the last rib, it devastated the top of the heart & lungs and was found under the skin at the base of the neck. The cat managed 15M & was down for good.
Bullet retained 490grn.
I don't know about you guys...but this picture makes me want to go out and smack a Cape Buffalo!
500grn monometals tend to be too long for most .458's.
Best advice is to drop to 450grn unless you are using a compact projectile or have a long actioned rife - like a 602.
As far as I can make out the 450grn Barnes TSX is the most popular projectile amongst sport hunters using the .458WM- but maybe only because it had a lead.
450grn Peregrine and .485grn Rhino are both excellent but these ae possibly not available to you.
.450grn Swift A Frame will be available to you, and is an excellent choice.
The new 480grn Hornady DGX/DGS combo is also popular.
NOTE: A .458WM is not a Lott, so you don't have to be worried about bullets breaking up at close range, and you are probably also better off with a bullet under 500gr. Aim for about 2150- 2200fps and everything will be good
BTW, bear in mind that V0 is basically irrelevant - what's important is impact velocity. So where exactly you are planning to hunt is very important in this equation. A lighter , flatting shooting load is more versatile , buy if in densely bushed areas then a heavier bullet is a better option, even though you will lose velocity.
Is that a Dakota?
Yes, it is.
Superb cartridge. Pity it's not readily available here.
Nice long neck, great capacity to push any .458 bullet at useful speed with relatively low pressure.
Dakota supplies brass at very reasonable prices (I found 250 cases on Gunbroker for 1 dollar each plus shipping!). Dies were a bit of a pain, but I got some after about a one month wait.
I think it is a very well designed cartridge.
Well, I sold my 458 Lott yesterday, so I no longer really need to know what the best 458 Bullet @2150fps is anymore! Haha!
Maybe there's a 450 Rigby in my future though....
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