Bad News For The Selous

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  1. spike.t

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    I had read some about this a while back. Tanzania seems bent on ruining the safari hunting industry. Not just this but their general attitude. This could well be a disaster in the making. To build that dam will require good roads to get there. Easy access for all.... Then how are you going to feed all of the workers. The bush meat trade will flourish and the animals will suffer. Poaching will increase dramatically. Those who can pay for a great experience there will eventually go elsewhere as the animals disappear..... Doesn't look good at all.
    Bruce
     
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    Tanz has had some huge natural gas discoveries (so has Moz) in recent years that will create a lot of wealth, jobs and investments. Makes you wonder why they want to expand hydro too.
     

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    Looking at a map it would seem that this gorge is up in the north west area where there seems to be a lot of roads and development. South and east seems less developed. Is this a matter of further developing and area that is already on that path?

    I obviously have no direct knowledge or experience. I am just trying to figure out the context.
     

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    The reservoir created by the dam is expected to be the largest in east Africa, inundating 1,200 sq km (463 sq miles) of land in an area known as Stiegler's Gorge. Stiegler's Gorge is named after a Swiss engineer who was killed by an elephant in 1907. He had been planning to build a dam in the area.

    This is got bad juju written all over it. Sort of like Val Kilmer in the movie "The Ghost and the Darkness"
     
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    "Tanzania has argued that the project will boost development and double its existing power capacity. Only one-third of the country's population currently has access to electricity."

    Does this mean that they only have enough capacity for 1/3 of the country, or that existing infrastructure only reaches 1/3 of the people. Two totally different things.
     
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    Development is a byproduct of population growth. Africa's population is expected to double in the next 33 years. Wild areas and wild life are often casualties. When I was a boy, africa had 9% of the world's population. They have 17% now, and in 33 years will have 27%. They will need a place to charge their I-phones................FWB
     

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    Take pictures now so you can tell the kids what it used to be like when you were a youngster.
     
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    1950 lived in Africa,Cape to Kairo, 150 millions people,in the European Union ,as it is today, 450 millions.
    Now,70 years later,1,1 billions in Africa and 500 millions in the EU.
    Over 2 billions Africans in 2050.
    What can remain of the wilderness?
     

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    Many have already posted about the increase in population in Africa . . . It’s not reasonable for us in the developed world (if I can call us that!) to expect Africa to remain a park or zoo or hunting ground for our pleasure. If we want to see that, we have to provide people who live there with a viable alternative. They have every right to our lifestyle that we do . . .
     

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    This will end the protection of animals in Selous.
     

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    We?
    Another 60 years of support thrown out the window.
    Man can only change himself, nobody else.
     

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    Very sad. As everywhere to many humans.
     

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    Why a man must destroy everything?
     

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    I think we are exaggerating a bit. The Selous is very large, and this will only impact a portion of it.

    But seriously - do we compare the desires of "sportsmen" with the needs of impoverished rural Africans? We have exploited our own countries (and much of the rest of the world - just ask them!) to achieve an enviable standard of living and now we want to deny that right to everyone else?

    The bottom line is that yes, it is "we" that have to be involved if "we" care to have wild places maintained in that form for ourselves and our children. I have no moral right to ask any African to go hungry to ensure my ability to hunt wild game, and either do you.

    This is not the same as saying African people are not responsible for much of the plight in which the continent is found today. Of course there is a gross failure of leadership, and a kleptocratic culture, through much of the continent. But that gives us no right to insist that any wild lands be maintained there for our hunting pleasure. We can, though, work with people to find alternatives. Or not, in which case we can watch wild lands be gobbled up for development, and complain about it.
     

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    A lot of dams have been built here in Kansas. I think we should drain all of them and let the city people flood. Don't like ducks and geese that much. Just another case of foreigners sticking their nose in other countries business.
     

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    Several posts above indicate a belief that wild places only benefit hunters. Wrong. Or that we need to provide something for Africa. Wrong again. "Africa is for Africans" is a common phrase used by the indigenous . They must help themselves. ...........................FWB
     

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