Australian Government attack on reloading

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

The technical term is “properly loaded to full potential “ according to technical Bob. He is a Whelen nut with a penchant for .25’s, .35’s and older actions that can handle Full Potential loads.

Technical Bob, I like that. Uncle Nick is gone do maybe we can have an Ask Uncle Bob column.

@CBH Australia
Probably know more than some of the so called experi that write for them.
Some of the stuff they write is downright laughable especially recommending the 243 for deer hunting out to stupid ranges or those that say the 308 is only good for a max of 300 yards because after that it fails to meet energy required for bigger game. They need to get out from behind their type writers and into the field more often
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Australia parliament votes on tighter gun controls after Bondi shooting

Parliament is also debating hate speech reforms after last month's deadly attack on a Jewish festival.

www.bbc.com

@spike.t
Voted in last night. I can see it being a shit fight with some states saying no we will do it our way and we haven't got the money for your stout multi million dollar but back.
Interesting times are ahead to see where this shit storm goes from here.
Bob

 

[V.Veritas]

Sad news for all honest citizens.

 

[CBH Australia]

@CBH Australia
Probably know more than some of the so called experi that write for them.
Some of the stuff they write is downright laughable especially recommending the 243 for deer hunting out to stupid ranges or those that say the 308 is only good for a max of 300 yards because after that it fails to meet energy required for bigger game. They need to get out from behind their type writers and into the field more often
Bob

I think the type writers have moved on like Nick Harvey.

I don’t know any of the gun writers but I have pissed off many a keyboard warrior who claims their 6.5creedmoor makes everything else redundant or bags .308.

I know competitive shooters that make a good case for it but they take advantage of of its strong points and don’t just claim it shoots like a laser that will out do the cartridges that pre date it. Plenty of those do well in the right hands.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

 

[BlueFlyer]

Reading through the legistlation, particularly relating to Carriage Services, it says.

32 (2) Subsection 474.45G(1) or 474.45H(1) does not apply to engaging
33 in conduct by a person in relation to material if:
34 (a) the person holds a licence or permit (however described):

Not sure if that means that if you hold a firearms license the carriage service regulation does not apply? Has anyone heard anything about this?

 

[Hunter4752001]

I'm not sure that you're reading the "As passed" version of the legislation. You're paragraph numbers don't seem right. However the critical thing is the sub paragraph which defines the type of licence as one:
"that authorises the manufacture, repair, maintenance or modification of firearms, firearm accessories, firearm parts, firearm magazines or explosives or other lethal devices;"

To my reading this means (depending on the laws in the individual state) a manufacturer/armourer licence or a gun dealers licence. I may easily be wrong but I don't think it includes a shooters licence.

On a brighter, note: the sections banning access to reloading data have been completely removed as has the "ammunition equipment" (belts, pouches, bandoleers vests etc) sections.

 

[analog_peninsula]

You’d think people would figure out that it’s better to punish the guilty than the innocent, but they never learn. Banning everything that can be misused is the road to impotence, not the road to security. Give people freedom, then hold those who confuse liberty with license accountable for their actions.

 

[farmer_john]

You’d think people would figure out that it’s better to punish the guilty than the innocent, but they never learn. Banning everything that can be misused is the road to impotence, not the road to security. Give people freedom, then hold those who confuse liberty with license accountable for their actions.

Just know. I can set up a ranger school in the outback upon completion yall will be honorary bush rangers. Lol...

Jokes aside it really is a shit situation for yall

 

[CBH Australia]

I'm not sure that you're reading the "As passed" version of the legislation. You're paragraph numbers don't seem right. However the critical thing is the sub paragraph which defines the type of licence as one:
"that authorises the manufacture, repair, maintenance or modification of firearms, firearm accessories, firearm parts, firearm magazines or explosives or other lethal devices;"

To my reading this means (depending on the laws in the individual state) a manufacturer/armourer licence or a gun dealers licence. I may easily be wrong but I don't think it includes a shooters licence.

On a brighter, note: the sections banning access to reloading data have been completely removed as has the "ammunition equipment" (belts, pouches, bandoleers vests etc) sections.

I have not read this but it would seem that way.

From what I have read previously and what I was familiar with you need an armorers licence to work on another’s persons firearms.

 

[deewayne2003]

I guess some Americans don’t understand that Australia, Canada and Europe don’t have a Bill of Rights (including the Second Amendment), a Senate legislative body that requires a 60/40 vote to pass most things with small states on equal footing with larger states and the Electoral College that also prevents simple majority rule in the election of the President.

It’s really easy to sit back and criticize hunters and gun owners in other countries and encourage them to go to jail when as Americans, we don’t face that risk nearly as much. Gun owners everywhere are in the minority. Other than the population undergoing a huge shift in beliefs, probably the only thing our counterparts and brothers in other countries can do is to move to the USA. Unfortunately, that is also a tall order because of family and economic factors. If anyone can get here legally, I would support that as long as you don’t vote liberal. We also need more conservatives and gun enthusiasts here.

Agreed, I remember sitting around a campfire in Victoria with 20+ other Sambar hunters and being the only non Aussie I became somewhat of a stand up comedy routine as I compared getting the visitors international firearms permit for Victoria to buying guns at yard sales in Texas.

In OZ owning firearms is not a right, it’s a privilege and the government loves to remind the citizens of that.

 

[BlueFlyer]

I'm not sure that you're reading the "As passed" version of the legislation

I followed the link provided by SSAA, so I assumed it was the final version?

 

[BlueFlyer]

From what I have read previously and what I was familiar with you need an armorers licence to work on another’s persons firearms.

That is not my concern, from reading the legislation it appears that if you look up on Utube , how to headspace a barrel or mount a scope that you would be subject to 5 years in gaol?
Let alone if to dare to watch "Everything Black powder"!!!!

 

[Hunter4752001]

@BlueFlyer From the Parliamentary Explanatory Memorandum which accompanies the legislation:
Para 876
"The definition of 'firearms and explosives manufacture material' is not intended to extend to material that provides instructions on how to safely use, operate, and maintain a firearm. This includes, for example, videos about dismantling a firearm or reloading ammunition, a manufacturer-supplied firearm manual that explains safe operation and maintenance, or an online article providing instructions on fitting scopes, adjusting sights, replacing grips, or installing other compliant accessories. This reflects the intention that the offences capture the illicit manufacture or modification of firearms, related parts, and explosives or other lethal devices. There would also be a defence available for individuals who access material for the purpose of maintaining, modifying, repairing or manufacturing a licenced firearm, firearm part or explosive or other lethal device in compliance with the conditions of their licence or permit (see new section 474.45J)."

Note: an explanatory Memorandum is not legislation but in some circumstances it can guide a Judge as how the legislation should be interpreted. In the situation where someone has been charged and is before the court, their counsel could refer to the Explanatory Memorandun to argue that the legislation didn't cover their actions. It would then be up to the judge to decide whether to accept that or whether the wording of the Act was unambiguous.

It is likely that basic activities like mainenance, etc are OK but I'd feel at risk headspacing a barrel or printing an otherwise legal .22LR magazine for a firearm with no parts availability. Remember the people who drafted the legislation or voted for it would have zero understanding of what it meant in the real world.

ps I'm not a lawyer so take my views as simply an opinion.

 

[BlueFlyer]

ps I'm not a lawyer so take my views as simply an opinion.

Thank you for your opinion.

 

[458JCE]

In 2025, with uncertain life expectancy due to the return of prostate cancer, I sold most of my rifles (predominantly bolt action) and replaced them with 2 x Blaser R8s and multiple barrels to keep shooting all of the calibres. This was to make it simpler for my hunting-buddy son, so that he could explain to his siblings "Dad only left me 2 guns". Now the straight pull action has been moved into Category C - available to Primary Producers only.
Nobody in the government can explain how this increases public safety. "Stronger gun laws" only affect enthusiasts like me - criminals and terrorists are not affected in any way.
If a firearms owner is more dangerous when he owns more than one gun, why do they issue soldiers with only one gun? The number of guns is irrelevant - you can only use 1 at a time - who the government issues a firearms licence to ............. is everything.
Australia is broken.

 

[Kharn]

It's the misbegotten & misplaced attitude that Australians have of thinking they are superior/better because of the relatively low gun crime in Australia vs the USA, without factoring anything else into it, unless it's Pro-Australian & Anti-America.

"Australia is better than USA because Australia has guns but a fraction of a % of the gun violence that America has."

 

[CBH Australia]

It's the misbegotten & misplaced attitude that Australians have of thinking they are superior/better because of the relatively low gun crime in Australia vs the USA, without factoring anything else into it, unless it's Pro-Australian & Anti-America.

"Australia is better than USA because Australia has guns but a fraction of a % of the gun violence that America has."

I’m not why you think that and I don’t personally know anyone who has those views.

Politicians have previously said they don’t want an American gun culture but honestly I think that was in the 90’s.

Of late there has been a lot of publicity around shootings. A coronial inquest was recently completed where police were shot in Queensland and there were officers shot at n Victoria by another nutter who managed to evade police in the biggest manhunt the country has seen. Probably a premeditated attack or certainly we executed by someone who probably fits the prepper description.

A lot of our gun crime and shootings are targeted shootings by criminals against rival criminals. They are already outside the law and are committing gun crimes in an effort to control organised crime or in retaliation of other criminal acts against rival criminals.

Guns ownership is more restrictive in Australia and new laws are set to be implemented that will impose more restrictions.

 

[Kharn]

I’m not why you think that and I don’t personally know anyone who has those views.

Really? It's Australias absolutely favorite quote when comparing themselves to America they ALWAYS revert to "Our Gun Laws are common sense that's why we don't have weekly massacres like America."

Like just straight up hear it all the time from the Anti Crowd, always and the first thing they bring up (Aus v USA Gun Control).

A lot of our gun crime and shootings are targeted shootings by criminals against rival criminals. They are already outside the law and are committing gun crimes in an effort to control organised crime or in retaliation of other criminal acts against rival criminals.

Yeah but that is the exact same as is in America and the Anti's on both sides (Aus/USA) ignore it.

Politicians have previously said they don’t want an American gun culture but honestly I think that was in the 90’s.

Still a very strong feeling in Australia, it's the defining factor of Guns in Australia (Anti's and none Gun owners immediately thinking of America and Mass Shootings) so I would say it is still absolutely very much the priority on the Anti's & None Gun owners minds.

 

[458JCE]

It's the misbegotten & misplaced attitude that Australians have of thinking they are superior/better because of the relatively low gun crime in Australia vs the USA, without factoring anything else into it, unless it's Pro-Australian & Anti-America.

"Australia is better than USA because Australia has guns but a fraction of a % of the gun violence that America has."

Yeah nah. Aussies don't think they're superior in any way. It's purely a cultural difference. Licenced firearms owners are simply a smaller percentage of the population than in USA. Recent media reports have declared that there are just over 4 Million registered firearms in Australia. And 90% of those would be owned by a very small number of enthusiasts. The rest of the population is ignorant and the poliscum prey on this whenever anything bad happens with guns.