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Repost: I had a little luck in the Nevada 2026 draw results last week. I will take it.

Nothing is getting easier or simpler with the draws in the numerous states in the Western US. Extremely high demand for all hunts and low supply. Things have really changed in the last 20 years after the internet evolved - Population explosion and massive hunter recruitment.

Good luck and happy hunting to all, TheGrayRider a/k/a Tom.
 
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First ever applications in for antelope in Co & just got emails through that we were successful ! Two tags to hunt in October, so we do not have to use Landowner tags. No difference to us I guess but the outfitter has two extra tags to use so good for him.

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You should have good weather, they have had a lot of rain this spring so hopefully the bucks are fat and tall.
 
I don’t know about everyone else but I find the application process and drawing tags very off putting. States can change the rules or non-resident allotments at any time or when I do draw it might conflict with my schedule. For the costs of tags and hunts, I’d rather just hunt in Europe. It doesn’t take that much longer to reach from the east coast than some destinations in western states.
I am of the opinion that time is a more expensive asset than currently. If I was retired and lived in the USA I would tend to agree.

That and paying $3000-8000 for a free range Texas 2-3 day deer hunt is kind of insane. The Texas exotics are worse though.

$5000-8000 for a fallow deer.

The only ones I think are solid options are Scimitar horned oryx and Nilgai, there are some reasonable deals on axis, some places.

Gas from Denver to Del Rio, $500
Travel Hotels $500
Hunt $3000-10000
6 day schedule drive 30% there first day, finish 2nd day hunt 2nd night. Hunt 3rd day all day, hunt 4th day all day, hunt 5th day morning drive 40% home, finish on 6th day.

Leave Friday after work home following Friday or Saturday. Extend it to hunt another outfitter by another day or two and come be home Sunday.

Realistically shoot 2 bucks, 2 does, 2 javelina and 2-5 wild hogs.

Versus:


Friday night fly to Frankfurt, Paris, Munich. Arrive Saturday morning transfer to hunting location Sofia, Bucharest, Helsinki, Edinburgh, whatever. in the field on Saturday night or Sunday morning.

Flight $1000-1800
Non-Hunt lodging $400

Hunt mid range chamois, mid range stag, roe buck, and a wild boar. Maybe jackals, wolf, marderhund, fox, pine marten. Probably take 3-4 animals
Chamois 3-6 year old $2000-3000
5-7 KG Stag 1800-4500
Sub 350 roe buck $600
Hunt cost $1000

You are only paying for what you shoot.

Hunt Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Fly home Friday. Arrive Saturday. Recover Sunday back to Work Monday.


Or the BS that is guided North American hunting.

Mid-west Whitetail on private land $4500-10,000
Elk on public land low success $6500-10,000
Elk on private land 40-50 percent success. $9000-15,000
Good Mule deer on private $9000-25,000

Public draw DIY for a western hunter is a no-brainer, you live there. Shrinking miles and effort to make it work.

Wyoming Special elk tag $2500
Wyoming Special deer tag $1250
Wyoming Special antelope tag $1250
Hotels for 2 days travel either way $700
Gas for a 2000 miles round trip $1000
Years of points and fees.

I have shot two 7 year old bucks in Slovenia for $2000 out the door for two bucks, neither were huge 140-160 CIC, but compared to what I am seeing in Texas, I won't be chasing any fallow deer in America.

The buck I shot in 2025 was 147 CIC, he was $1200, hunt was $300, hotel was $300. Driving, road taxes, and tunnel tolls were $300. And I shot a 147 CIC stag on the same trip for $1200.

Europe from this angle is cheap as chips.

Europe from America is virtually the same, add a $1500 flight.

Here's a realistic estimate of sunk costs (non-refundable application/point fees paid every year while building points) for a non-resident applying consistently for "decent" limited-entry tags in elk, deer, or antelope. These assume you apply (or buy a point) every year without drawing until the target year, and focus on the main costs for one primary species (e.g., elk). Costs rise if you apply for multiple species.
Figures use current 2025–2026 data (some Wyoming increases hit in 2027). Actual totals vary by exact fees, processing charges (~2%), and whether you buy a license only when needed. Sunk costs exclude the final tag price you pay upon drawing.

Wyoming, Colorado, Montana (~10 years)

~10 points accumulated (one per year of unsuccessful application).
  • Wyoming (preference points, separate per species): Current point fees ~$31–$52 (rising to $75 in 2027). Application ~$15. No full license required just for points. Annual sunk: ~$45–$70. 10-year total: ~$500–$800(higher post-2027).
  • Colorado (preference points): Requires qualifying license (~$100–$200+ non-resident small game/base) + point/app fee ~$30–$50–$100 per species. Annual sunk: ~$150–$250. 10-year total: ~$1,500–$2,500.
  • Montana (preference for combos + bonus points): Preference point ~$100. Bonus ~$20–$25. Combo license/app fees add up if applying fully. Annual sunk: ~$120–$200. 10-year total: ~$1,200–$2,000.
Group total for 10 years (one state strategy): $1,000–$2,500 in sunk costs, depending on the state and species. Cheaper in Wyoming.

Utah & Arizona (~15 years)

~15 points accumulated.
  • Utah: Non-resident license ~$144–$147 (good 365 days). App/point fee ~$21 per species. Annual sunk: ~$165–$180 (or less by stretching one license across cycles). 15-year total: ~$2,200–$2,700.
  • Arizona (bonus points): License ~$160. App fee ~$15 per species. Annual sunk: ~$175. 15-year total: ~$2,500–$2,700.
Per state for 15 years: ~$2,300–$2,700.

Nevada & New Mexico (~17 years)

~17 points accumulated.
  • Nevada (bonus points, squared): License ~$155–$156 (non-refundable for points). App ~$10–$19 per species.Annual sunk: ~$165–$175. 17-year total: ~$2,800–$3,000.
  • New Mexico (mostly random, limited non-resident pool): Full tag fee upfront (refunded if unsuccessful, except license/app). License ~$90–$100 + app ~$13. Higher upfront risk. Annual sunk: ~$100–$150 (net after refunds). 17-year total: ~$1,700–$2,500.
Per state for 17 years: ~$2,500–$3,000.

Overall Summary (Rough Ranges for One Species)

PeriodYearsPointsEst. Sunk Cost (per state)Notes
WY/CO/MT1010$1,000 – $2,500WY cheapest
UT/AZ1515$2,300 – $2,700License heavy
NV/NM1717$2,500 – $3,000NV license upfront
Multi-state total (applying in all relevant states every year): Easily $8,000–$15,000+ over the long haul, but you’d likely draw earlier in easier units/states and mix in OTC hunts.
These are sunk costs — money spent with no tag in hand. Persistence is expensive, but many hunters offset by hunting general/OTC areas or private land in between. Fees keep rising (see Wyoming’s recent jump).
 
Ours just opened in BC, the amount of draws has declined SO much over the years. My wife got a good sheep draw years ago, very lucky, but it was 1 in 600 and there was 4-6 draws for the area. now theres only 1 and it was 1 in 3000 last year. but across the board and species, all qty of draws in down which sucks.

But every year, put in for moose at the cabin, not bad odds but never have pulled. Mtn goat in a spot I know. Elk nearby on a relocated herd. Wife has always wanted a Bison so we throw in for that.

Over the years, I feel I would of preferred a points based system, maybe for more of the normal species. and could build up points.

The big ones, and crazy odds, shold just stay true lottery style. But it would be nice to build up points and know in X amount of years you may get a moose etc.
 
The AZ Elk draw was earlier this year. I was not drawn of course.

The deer, big horn sheep, mountain lion, bear, turkey, and javelina draw closes 06/03/2026.
I am putting in for Mule Deer in the unit I live in and two others that ajoin it.

Not a big population of deer but I enjoy getting out and looking. I mostly consider the fees and license a wildlife donation and not the cost of hunting. But i am an old fart and harvesting another deer is not that important anymore. I do enjoy the preparation and sighting in my rifles.

Best of luck to everyone on their draws.
 
If I lived in AZ I would hunt doves and quail every day of the season-absolutely one of my favorite things to do and a great place
To do it(y)
 
I gave up on draws. Over the years, I never got a draw, so I just gave up. "Gloom, despair and agony on me".......
 
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This post got me thinking, whilst the US may be very liberal when it comes to gun legislation & ownership (a broad generalisation), it has to have one of the more complicated hunting systems & regulations out there! Draws, licenses, privileges, tags, points & all. Plus extremely short hunting windows - rifle antelope 3 - 4 days, some bird seasons 1 week & so on.

We are planning on coming over to hunt antelope in Co in October & are really really looking forward to doing so. Not a cheap trip in comparison to what you could do in Europe for the same money (ex flights) & has been & is a learning curve on how it is done in the US. A Non Resident Small Game Animal License, a Habitat Stamp License, Search & Rescue, Wildlife Fund Surcharge, then the on-line hunters tests & finally the antelope draw & privileges!

As I said this is something that we are really excited about - coming over for a 3 day guided antelope hunt & I am sure if we do it again it will be a walk in the park, so to speak.

Please do not read this wrong, I am just saying that for a country where you can buy, own & shoot dozens & dozens of guns, the regulators - whether Washington or State I do not know - sure make you jump through complicated hoops to be able to go & hunt / shoot game animals!

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This post got me thinking, whilst the US may be very liberal when it comes to gun legislation & ownership (a broad generalisation), it has to have one of the more complicated hunting systems & regulations out there! Draws, licenses, privileges, tags, points & all. Plus extremely short hunting windows - rifle antelope 3 - 4 days, some bird seasons 1 week & so on.

We are planning on coming over to hunt antelope in Co in October & are really really looking forward to doing so. Not a cheap trip in comparison to what you could do in Europe for the same money (ex flights) & has been & is a learning curve on how it is done in the US. A Non Resident Small Game Animal License, a Habitat Stamp License, Search & Rescue, Wildlife Fund Surcharge, then the on-line hunters tests & finally the antelope draw & privileges!

As I said this is something that we are really excited about - coming over for a 3 day guided antelope hunt & I am sure if we do it again it will be a walk in the park, so to speak.

Please do not read this wrong, I am just saying that for a country where you can buy, own & shoot dozens & dozens of guns, the regulators - whether Washington or State I do not know - sure make you jump through complicated hoops to be able to go & hunt / shoot game animals!

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The North American system is about giving the most hunters the largest amount of opportunity as a right. The system in the rest of the world is a small number of hunters paying for the privilege. I do find western state draws frustrating to understand, but they are also designed to heavily favor state residents both cost and opportunity not non-residents. If you’d like simple hunting, you can hunt the eastern states. Most tags are included with your basic hunting license. There are lots of whitetail deer. They don’t need managed intensively like some western species. The difference in a western state to Europe is you can draw a representative elk area on the first try and you can hunt a representative red stag for a modest price, but you’ll wait 10 years to hunt a premium elk area for the cost of the tag where in Europe you can hunt a premium stag area immediately but pay a very high trophy fee to do so. Two very different systems. The American system is about creating opportunity with short seasons to manage the harvest. They want a portion of the tags to be unsuccessful. The European system is focused on management and much higher success, but it excludes a lot of hunters. Not sure what European country you live in, but the costs and process associated with becoming a hunter in certain European countries is difficult for me to understand compared to US. In my state, I bought my first license at 12 years old after completing a weekend hunter safety course. Deer, black bear, Turkey, ducks, small game, trapping were all over counter licenses and still are. Pretty easy to become a hunter and go hunting for nearly no cost.
 
I am of the opinion that time is a more expensive asset than currently. If I was retired and lived in the USA I would tend to agree.

That and paying $3000-8000 for a free range Texas 2-3 day deer hunt is kind of insane. The Texas exotics are worse though.

$5000-8000 for a fallow deer.

The only ones I think are solid options are Scimitar horned oryx and Nilgai, there are some reasonable deals on axis, some places.

Gas from Denver to Del Rio, $500
Travel Hotels $500
Hunt $3000-10000
6 day schedule drive 30% there first day, finish 2nd day hunt 2nd night. Hunt 3rd day all day, hunt 4th day all day, hunt 5th day morning drive 40% home, finish on 6th day.

Leave Friday after work home following Friday or Saturday. Extend it to hunt another outfitter by another day or two and come be home Sunday.

Realistically shoot 2 bucks, 2 does, 2 javelina and 2-5 wild hogs.

Versus:


Friday night fly to Frankfurt, Paris, Munich. Arrive Saturday morning transfer to hunting location Sofia, Bucharest, Helsinki, Edinburgh, whatever. in the field on Saturday night or Sunday morning.

Flight $1000-1800
Non-Hunt lodging $400

Hunt mid range chamois, mid range stag, roe buck, and a wild boar. Maybe jackals, wolf, marderhund, fox, pine marten. Probably take 3-4 animals
Chamois 3-6 year old $2000-3000
5-7 KG Stag 1800-4500
Sub 350 roe buck $600
Hunt cost $1000

You are only paying for what you shoot.

Hunt Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Fly home Friday. Arrive Saturday. Recover Sunday back to Work Monday.


Or the BS that is guided North American hunting.

Mid-west Whitetail on private land $4500-10,000
Elk on public land low success $6500-10,000
Elk on private land 40-50 percent success. $9000-15,000
Good Mule deer on private $9000-25,000

Public draw DIY for a western hunter is a no-brainer, you live there. Shrinking miles and effort to make it work.

Wyoming Special elk tag $2500
Wyoming Special deer tag $1250
Wyoming Special antelope tag $1250
Hotels for 2 days travel either way $700
Gas for a 2000 miles round trip $1000
Years of points and fees.

I have shot two 7 year old bucks in Slovenia for $2000 out the door for two bucks, neither were huge 140-160 CIC, but compared to what I am seeing in Texas, I won't be chasing any fallow deer in America.

The buck I shot in 2025 was 147 CIC, he was $1200, hunt was $300, hotel was $300. Driving, road taxes, and tunnel tolls were $300. And I shot a 147 CIC stag on the same trip for $1200.

Europe from this angle is cheap as chips.

Europe from America is virtually the same, add a $1500 flight.

Here's a realistic estimate of sunk costs (non-refundable application/point fees paid every year while building points) for a non-resident applying consistently for "decent" limited-entry tags in elk, deer, or antelope. These assume you apply (or buy a point) every year without drawing until the target year, and focus on the main costs for one primary species (e.g., elk). Costs rise if you apply for multiple species.
Figures use current 2025–2026 data (some Wyoming increases hit in 2027). Actual totals vary by exact fees, processing charges (~2%), and whether you buy a license only when needed. Sunk costs exclude the final tag price you pay upon drawing.

Wyoming, Colorado, Montana (~10 years)

~10 points accumulated (one per year of unsuccessful application).

  • Wyoming (preference points, separate per species): Current point fees ~$31–$52 (rising to $75 in 2027). Application ~$15. No full license required just for points. Annual sunk: ~$45–$70. 10-year total: ~$500–$800(higher post-2027).
  • Colorado (preference points): Requires qualifying license (~$100–$200+ non-resident small game/base) + point/app fee ~$30–$50–$100 per species. Annual sunk: ~$150–$250. 10-year total: ~$1,500–$2,500.
  • Montana (preference for combos + bonus points): Preference point ~$100. Bonus ~$20–$25. Combo license/app fees add up if applying fully. Annual sunk: ~$120–$200. 10-year total: ~$1,200–$2,000.
Group total for 10 years (one state strategy): $1,000–$2,500 in sunk costs, depending on the state and species. Cheaper in Wyoming.

Utah & Arizona (~15 years)

~15 points accumulated.

  • Utah: Non-resident license ~$144–$147 (good 365 days). App/point fee ~$21 per species. Annual sunk: ~$165–$180 (or less by stretching one license across cycles). 15-year total: ~$2,200–$2,700.
  • Arizona (bonus points): License ~$160. App fee ~$15 per species. Annual sunk: ~$175. 15-year total: ~$2,500–$2,700.
Per state for 15 years: ~$2,300–$2,700.

Nevada & New Mexico (~17 years)

~17 points accumulated.

  • Nevada (bonus points, squared): License ~$155–$156 (non-refundable for points). App ~$10–$19 per species.Annual sunk: ~$165–$175. 17-year total: ~$2,800–$3,000.
  • New Mexico (mostly random, limited non-resident pool): Full tag fee upfront (refunded if unsuccessful, except license/app). License ~$90–$100 + app ~$13. Higher upfront risk. Annual sunk: ~$100–$150 (net after refunds). 17-year total: ~$1,700–$2,500.
Per state for 17 years: ~$2,500–$3,000.

Overall Summary (Rough Ranges for One Species)


PeriodYearsPointsEst. Sunk Cost (per state)Notes
WY/CO/MT1010$1,000 – $2,500WY cheapest
UT/AZ1515$2,300 – $2,700License heavy
NV/NM1717$2,500 – $3,000NV license upfront
Multi-state total (applying in all relevant states every year): Easily $8,000–$15,000+ over the long haul, but you’d likely draw earlier in easier units/states and mix in OTC hunts.
These are sunk costs — money spent with no tag in hand. Persistence is expensive, but many hunters offset by hunting general/OTC areas or private land in between. Fees keep rising (see Wyoming’s recent jump).

Unfortunately it’s even worse than your projected 10 to 17 years. Unless burning points in a lesser quality hunt. I just used my 23 Utah elk points.

But !!! The equivalent quality elk hunt without the points would well over $20k

There are still some gems to hunt with a couple points. That will not be shared from me on the internet :>)))
 
The sunk cost — the non-refundable money you lose whether you draw or not — adds up differently across those states, and Utah is the big one.


For Utah, you gotta buy the non-resident hunting license every year to apply or buy points. That’s about $147, plus $21 per species. For deer, elk, and antelope that’s roughly $147 + $63 = $210 a year, every year. Over 10 years: around $2,100. That’s the main hit.


Wyoming is cheaper for points-only — you don’t need a license just to buy preference points. It’s about $75 each for deer, elk, and antelope now, so $225 a year for all three. Ten years: $2,250.


Arizona requires the $160 hunting license plus $15 per species. Similar to Utah, you’re looking at around $205 per year for the three, or $2,050 over 10 years.


Colorado and Montana are way lower for deer/elk/antelope — Colorado has no preference point fee for those species, just a small application fee and a qualifying license. Montana’s preference points are mainly for combo licenses and cost $100 if you’re buying them separately. Those two won’t move the needle much compared to the others.


Bottom line, if you’re doing all three species in all five states for a full 10 years, you’re easily looking at $6,000 to $8,000+ in pure sunk costs, with Utah, Wyoming, and Arizona doing most of the damage. Fees creep up over time too, so this is a conservative estimate. That’s the real price of building those points before you ever pull a tag.Ok
 
Honestly, do not know why I play the game in Utah. I believe that I will draw some tags. I have the points now I’m in the 10 point levels for most species. If I ever moved to Utah, which is possible concerning that I work for the US government in a natural resources management agency the odds are pretty high that I will get to use the points.
 
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Repost: I had a little luck in the Nevada 2026 draw results last week. I will take it.

Nothing is getting easier or simpler with the draws in the numerous states in the Western US. Extremely high demand for all hunts and low supply. Things have really changed in the last 20 years after the internet evolved - Population explosion and massive hunter recruitment.

Good luck and happy hunting to all, TheGrayRider a/k/a Tom.
I was driving near Arc Dome Wilderness in the unit 17 group a few weeks ago and saw a really nice buck antelope with a few does a little south of the tiny town of Kingston.
 
I was driving near Arc Dome Wilderness in the unit 17 group a few weeks ago and saw a really nice buck antelope with a few does a little south of the tiny town of Kingston.

Thanks for the information, SafariCurious. My Nevada hunting guide actually works and lives in Unit 173 right now. He has also seen a couple of nice pronghorn antelope so far this year. Hopefully, we can find a very nice trophy once this rifle antelope season and tag starts.

Good luck this upcoming season. I continue to encourage everyone to “Apply, apply, apply!” You will hit sooner or later.

Happy hunting to all, TheGrayRider a/k/a Tom.
 

Overall Summary (Rough Ranges for One Species)



PeriodYearsPointsEst. Sunk Cost (per state)Notes
WY/CO/MT1010$1,000 – $2,500WY cheapest
UT/AZ1515$2,300 – $2,700License heavy
NV/NM1717$2,500 – $3,000NV license upfront
That’s why I don’t hunt anything but birds and varmints here in the USA.
 
Unless you have an insane amount of points for sheep or moose in Wyoming, you can probably give up on that dream. Unless of course you move to Wyoming a year before the draw.

They changed the allocations for non-residents a few years ago by half.
I may be retarded but i put in for points for wyo for mule elk anf antelope will be my 2nd year outting in for points.
Sc alligator points.
Javelina /couse deer for arizona
And moose in maine.
 
I am conflicted on the western Points game. I dropped Arizona and Nevada years ago. New Mexico is still 100% random occasionally still apply there. I was applying in Arizona since the 90s. I narrowed it down to Wyoming and Utah and accumulating a few points to hunt Colorado elk every or two.

This year I drew a unit where a 350” bull is realistic. I will hunt on my own so relatively low cost. Considering that a 330” -350” guided elk hunt can now be well over $20k

The caliber of bulls in the Unit
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