American hunter black giraffe hunt

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  1. edward

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    to bad this jerk will never see your facts.
     

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    Hopefully some clever photographer will capture a pic of Ricky Gervais eating a taco, wearing leather shoes, using a leather belt or bag, or sitting in the leather seats of a limo, post it on social media, and shut this sob up...................FWB
     
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  3. edward

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    RIGHT ON!!!
     

  4. Fred Gunner

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    SCI On NBC
    Tomorrow (Friday, July 6), SCI members Tess and Andrew Talley along with SCI President Paul Babaz will take part in a live interview during the Today Show on NBC television. The interview will air sometime between 7:40 and 8 a.m. It is expected to run for 5 to 8 minutes.

    The interview follows savage social media attacks on both Mrs. Talley and hunting in general after social media trolls dredged-up a photo that had been posted on social media a year ago when she took an old giraffe on a legal hunt in South Africa.

    This media engagement is part of SCI's new communications effort to get the information out about all of the good things hunters and hunting do around the world while countering the lies of the anti-hunters, using the best science-based research available and by sharing the amazing stories provided to us by our members and chapter network.

    There is risk in such engagement, because there is always the chance that what we say will be misinterpreted. That's an acceptable risk, because if SCI and hunters do not speak up, the world will only know what the antis tell them.

    SCI is unwavering in its support and defense of hunting and is proud of who we are and what we do. It is this Hunter Pride and our stories that can help put human faces and humanity into the public discussion about hunting.

    SCI will continue to do all it can to defend hunters and hunting, both when we are attacked and when it is possible to take the initiative and communicate to those in the world who would not hear our message in any other way.

    As SCI's presence in the media grows, take pride in being a hunter and relay that pride to all of your friends and family. No longer will we be a silent punching bag for those who would end hunting. Thank you for being part of the solution.

    Safari Club International - First For Hunters is the leader in protecting the freedom to hunt and in promoting wildlife conservation worldwide. SCI's approximately 200 Chapters represent all 50 of the United States as well as 106 other countries. SCI's proactive leadership in a host of cooperative wildlife conservation, outdoor education and humanitarian programs, with the SCI Foundation and other conservation groups, research institutions and government agencies, empowers sportsmen to be contributing community members and participants in sound wildlife management and conservation. Visit the home page www.SafariClub.org, or call (520) 620-1220 for more information.
    International Headquarters · Washington, DC
     
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  5. BWH

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    NBC..... this ought to be interesting.
     

  6. Fred Gunner

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    Talk about walking into the Lions Den... We did demand more from SCI looks like we're getting it?
     

  7. BWH

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    Honestly though..... that is probably the wisest play. If it were to be a Fox interview, we all know how they would say it was "slanted". Which is laughingly hypocritical.
     

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    Yea but Now I’ll have to take the “parental block” off NBC…Then the wife will find out that we do get NBC as part of our Dish…and all hell will break loose… Thanks a lot SCI!
     

  9. BWH

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    LOL..... that is funny!
     

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    Best of luck this is a positive step to have a interview like this...how well received the truth and facts will be by NBC and their audience we will see.
     

  11. MAdcox

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    I have a newly developed thought on the whole -using FB- issue. I was a “no, never, what the heck would I do that for” guy about FB since I first heard of it. Condescendingly laughing at my family and friends for it for years.
    I actually joined 2 months ago due to having made my first Safari. My hunting buddies kept texting me pictures from FB about hunts and trophies our friends were putting on FB and several outfitters primarily use FB to post hunt info. I felt like I was missing out on some more good Africa discussions so I joined.
    I only post to friends- not interested in the rest of the world knowing me and don’t figure they care.
    I have enjoyed sharing hunt pictures with my friends I don’t get to see anymore (high school and college hunting buddies who have moved, etc..) I have even got several interested in going over that had never thought about hunting anywhere but their backyard. I have also started good, polite discussions with friends and family that are non-hunters about my trip because of my pictures. I know that those pictures could potentially get shared to the wrong person who posts them and I end up in the same boat as this lady and her giraffe. I’m not aiming for that but am not worried about handling it if it happens either. My pictures are always respectful and well done and I can be thoughtful and respectful when I need to be. I have also been brought in by some friends to do a little factual debate on some anti hunting threads as well. Like the recent lion hunt they are trying to make into another Cecil. It’s amazing how you can dispute an antis crap with simple, polite, documented facts and all you get back are vile insults about the size of your penis and how you should be killed for hunting. I know I’ll never change that persons mind but I would like to think that any non-hunter looking at the debate sees who is making sense and who is just spouting off. I believe (or at least I want to believe) that a vast majority of us can be good ambassadors for what we do and it is needed more than ever.
     

  12. Joe P

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    MAdcox,
    You clearly have good intentions. I hope the media would not be so unscrupulous as to not take advantage of this. However, my pessimistic side identifies hope as delayed disappointment.
    You may not be worried if you are put in this same boat but I am worried if you are. I can't see it being positive for the greater good (from our point of view).

    Don't get me wrong, I want to stand up for these pictures as much as anyone but is that a way to win? I'm not sure. I'm young and I sure would like to be able to bring a son or daughter over with me one day. Right now I'm not too worried about that but I'd like to think we can make a possitive impact in the mean time.
     

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    'It’s much crueller to let a giraffe die of old age’: SA experts weigh in on Tess Talley hunting outrage

    After pictures of a 37-year-old American woman posing next to the carcass of a giraffe bull surfaced online, social media exploded in disgust.

    Kentucky-born Tess Thompson Talley posted the photos on Facebook with the caption: "Prayers for my once in a lifetime dream hunt came true today! Spotted this rare black giraffe bull and stalked him for quite a while."

    The images were reposted on Twitter Africa Digest’s, with more than 44 000 people retweeting the scathing post.

    "White American savage who is partly a Neanderthal comes to Africa and shoot down very rare black giraffe courtesy of South Africa stupidity," they tweeted.

    Celebrities weighed in too, with Will & Grace actress Debra Messing posting: "Tess Thompson Talley from Nippa, Kentucky, is a disgusting, vile, amoral, heartless, selfish murderer."

    British comedian Ricky Gervais, who created The Office, was scathing in his response, tweeting: "What’s sixteen feet tall and has a c*** on the back of its neck?"

    He later wrote on Twitter that "giraffes are now on the 'red list' of endangerment due to a 40% decline over the last 25 years. They could become extinct. Gone forever".

    Despite these vicious condemnations on social media, research shows that trophy hunting contributes significantly to South Africa’s economy, earning nearly R2bn annually.

    This is according to a study by Professor Peet van der Merwe from Trees (Tourism Research in Economic Environs and Society) in conjunction with the Professional Hunters’ Association of South Africa (Phasa).

    Most hunters insist on hunting wild game instead of animals bred in captivity for hunting purposes (such as "canned lion-hunting"), the study shows.

    Hunting giraffes in South Africa

    Hunting giraffes in South Africa is legal as long as the proper permission has been obtained from the game farm in question.

    Talley tried to defend herself, insisting that the giraffe had been old and was a danger to the younger bulls because he’d been attacking them. She alleges it was necessary to shoot the animal.

    "It’s a misconception [that giraffe populations are dwindling in South Africa]," says Koos Barnard, editor of the magazine SA Hunter/Jagter. "Like most other types of game, their numbers need to be culled."

    "Giraffes on many game reserves don’t have any natural enemies. Lions are really the only predators capable of killing a giraffe. To control the populations, the animals have to be sold or slaughtered," Barnard explains.

    'Much crueller to let a giraffe die of old age'

    But the market is saturated and it’s nearly impossible to sell these animals, especially when they’re old, he adds. The average life expectancy is 10 to 15 years and as they get older their digestive systems start failing and they starve.

    "It’s much crueller to let a giraffe die of old age," says Flip Coetzee, a dentist from Mossel Bay, who is also a member of the South African Hunters and Game Conservation Association.

    "A death like that [of old age and organ failure] is much more painful than shooting a giraffe with the right calibre rifle and in the right way. We train hunters in this."

    He feels the giraffe saga has been blown out of proportion. "We work closely with conservation bodies to ensure the money is also channelled to them," he adds.

    A game farmer needs to make a living, Barnard says. "They need a trophy hunter to kill the animals before they can be slaughtered. The animal’s meat is tough when it’s an old animal and the meat is sold to butcheries where it’s processed into for example polony."

    An adults giraffe equals between 900kg and 1 500kg of meat. So the trophy hunter pays thousands of dollars to hunt the animal and in turn get to process the skin and taxidermy the head as a trophy to take back to their country.

    "Many people don’t realise that every part of the animal is used, even if it was killed by a trophy hunter," Barnard adds. He says people tend to get emotional when iconic animals such as giraffes, lions and elephants are shot, but farms and reserves have limited space for the animals.

    What he’s not comfortable with is hunters posting pics of themselves with their kills on social media.

    Just 3% of the income from trophy hunting reaches the communities who are affected by it, the International Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation found in a study. But Minister of Environmental Affairs Edna Molewa maintains the hunting industry adds earns millions for the local economy.

    Travel expenses aside, a trophy hunter will spend on average R127 000 on a hunting trip to South Africa.

    The most popular animals to hunt are antelope, warthog, springbok, kudu and blesbuck, while buffalo, lions, sable antelope, kudu and njala bring in the most money.

    "Hunting is a form of sustainable ecotourism," Van der Merwe says. "Just look at how much money hunters spend compared to other tourists."

    He reckons the hunting industry can contribute to work creation in rural areas, adding that it’s a profitable niche market that shouldn’t be neglected.

    "We should be doing more to protect the hunting industry’s image."

    Source: https://www.news24.com/Green/News/i...gh-in-on-tess-talley-hunting-outrage-20180705
     
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    UGH! You just can’t fix “stupid”!
     

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    Sounds like she canceled the interview this morning?
     

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    Agreed 100%
     
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  17. BWH

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    Pretty sure he prefers wiener & eggplant, not taco......... :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
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    Not trying to be a smart ass, but I think one of our founding fathers Benjamin Franklin said it best " those who would give up essential liberties to obtain a little temporary saftey
    deserve neither liberty or safety"
    And I do believe that if you don't stand up for whats right or what you believe in you very possibly might loose them.
     

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    I couldn't agree more! Even though the original context in which the statement was applied was slightly different, that message is most certainly valid and applicable.
     
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