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Horowitz: From Fort Benning to Japan and Hawaii, face masks are not working
By: Daniel Horowitz · Conservative Review – August 3, 2020

One will not find a greater degree of compliance to a mask mandate than with one placed on military trainees by drill sergeants. That’s why, if masks are really the viral placebo their devoted cult worshipers make them out to be, one would expect mask mandates to work wonders in these environments. Except, they didn’t work – just like they didn’t work in Japan, Hawaii, Israel, California, Miami, or any other place where they’ve shown near universal compliance for months, yet the virus spread rapidly.

In the military, they don’t just virtue signal and wear masks as a symbol. If they are led to believe mask-wearing will work to stop the spread, they will wear them seriously with the boot of the drill sergeant behind them. Yet, despite universal mask wearing, the super social distance rituals, and all precautions imaginable, it failed to stop an outbreak at Fort Benning in Georgia in May.

Here’s how the outbreak unfolded, according to Elizabeth Howe of Connecting Vets. About 640 recruits from the 30th AG Battalion and 2nd Battalion, 29th Infantry Regiment arrived at Fort Benning in May for training and were immediately tested for COVID-19. Four recruits tested positive and were removed from the group while the remaining soldiers were placed in isolation for 14 days without any training exercises. After the 14-day quarantine, they were all retested and every single one was negative.

Only then did the training commence – with the full panoply of obsessive social distancing measures, including mask wearing. You can imagine that there will never be greater compliance to these rules than during military training. Yet, just eight days later, after one recruit exhibited symptoms, 142 of the trainees tested positive. That is 22% of the entire group isolated and quarantined together. As they were young, none of them were hospitalized and most were asymptomatic.

The case of Fort Benning should have served as a harbinger of what was to come in June with the surge of cases throughout the country, and now, the entire world. You cannot run or hide from God’s respiratory viruses that spread as ubiquitously as the flu. However, at the same time, we see God’s mercy – that the majority of cases are asymptomatic and there are very few serious cases outside of those who are immunocompromised.

Another important observation from this Fort Benning outbreak is in order. Notice how the masks did not help and the virus spread far and wide, but stopped at the 22% threshold? This is another great example of what Nobel laureate Michael Levitt, Oxford epidemiologist Sunetra Gupta, and Stanford professor John Ioannidis predicted early on based on the natural case study of the Diamond Princess cruise ship outbreak – that the virus hits a brick wall in most places around the 15%-20% marker. Seventeen percent of passengers on the Diamond Princess tested positive. The working theory is that most people have some degree of cross-immunity from other coronavirus colds and that the virus does not transmit homogeneously from every infected individual.

While there will be places where the virus hits up to 40% of the people, albeit with most not exhibiting symptoms, most states and countries seem to get a respite from the disease once they reach 15%-20% seroprevalence in the population, or even less. We are beginning to see this in the southern states that have already peaked and are seeing plummeting rates of new hospitalizations.




Thus, we see God’s judgment and mercy mixed together. On the one hand, nothing seems to prevent a spread in the population, but on the other hand, a de facto herd immunity threshold is hit around 20%. The quicker we achieve this through the younger population, the more we will see results like we’ve witnessed in the military.

There is no greater petri dish and natural case study of a confined universe than on an aircraft carrier. During the spring, there was an outbreak on the USS Theodore Roosevelt whereby 24% of the sailors tested positive. Yet, there was only one fatality.


Hence, it’s not like the mask mandate at Fort Benning worked even a little bit. They seemed to have suffered roughly the same infection rate as those places caught by surprise, such as the USS Theodore Roosevelt.

How much more evidence do we need before this mask cult takes its Jonestown mentality and seeks mental health treatment?
What we saw at Fort Benning is now playing out throughout the world.

Japan is a country where people have been wearing masks for months with a degree of discipline we would expect in our military. Yet, cases are soaring, despite the fact that they are not testing nearly as much as we are:



They are now panicking in Hong Kong with cases surging despite a universal mask mandate in place for months.

Countries like Japan and Hong Kong are as disciplined and as clean as they come. But you can’t stop a pandemic flu. Thankfully, there really is no reason to panic because the rate of serious cases is even less in Asia thanks to their inherent partial immunity.

We are seeing the same pattern here in America. Hawaii has had the most severe lockdown of anywhere and it’s enforced very zealously. They also have had near universal compliance to their long-standing mask mandate in place since April. They are also an island country. Yet, it has experienced a 700% increase in cases over the past 30 days!

The same holds true for a state like California, which had the earliest stay-at-home order in March and has never exited a modified phase one reopening. We all know how that has turned out. The same holds true for Israel and Australia. In fact, in the ultimate irony, the only countries that seem to remain flat are the Nordic countries, which have aggressively resisted the idea of public masking.


Again, a lot of this stems from immutable laws of nature. The northern countries got the virus earlier, then it migrated south to places like America’s southern states, Hawaii, Israel, and Australia. Also, any country that has not achieved at least 15% seroprevalence will always remain vulnerable until they do so. Which is why Sweden is riding high with herd immunity, relatively few deaths, and a society and economy intact.
What we are seeing over and over again is that in areas where the virus already spread, the lockdowns don’t work at all. In areas where there was a low rate of seroprevalence at the time of the lockdown, they successfully delay the spread temporarily. But because those policies are unsustainable until eradication, which could take years, they are actually forestalling herd immunity, keeping vulnerable people at risk longer, crushing their society and economies, and ensuring that so many seniors die of isolation and atrophy.
The virus eventually catches up to them, which is what we have witnessed in places like California, Hawaii, Israel, and Australia, which thought they dodged the bullet by destroying their economies. Now, they are left with nothing but a sea of cross-contaminated cloth masks.
For those of you who wondered why no other generation was ‘smart’ enough to think of these policies to “mitigate” a respiratory virus, the feebleness of our actions have now been unmasked.
 

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Dentist Warns Too Much Mask-Wearing Can Lead to Harmful ‘Mask Mouth’

Just when you think 2020 can’t get any worse, bam, it does.

A New York dentist now says wearing a face mask for hours can be harmful to your dental health by giving you “mask mouth.”

“We’re seeing inflammation in people’s gums that have been healthy forever, and cavities in people who have never had them before,” Dr. Rob Ramondi, co-founder of One Manhattan Dental, told the New York Post

“About 50% of our patients are being impacted by this, [so] we decided to name it ‘mask mouth’ — after ‘meth mouth.”


The term ‘meth mouth’ is widely used by dentists to describe the dental problems that arise among methamphetamine users. Addicts often end up with cracked, black- and brown-stained teeth because the stimulant causes sugar cravings, teeth grinding and jaw clenching. They also often neglect their oral hygiene,” The Post wrote.

Constant mask wearing can lead to all kinds of mouth maladies, including cavities, decaying teeth, and dangerous halitosis.

Dr. Mark Sclafani, Ramondi’s business partner, said oral problems can sometimes lead to far worse conditions.

“Gum disease — or periodontal disease — will eventually lead to strokes and an increased risk of heart attacks. People tend to breathe through their mouth instead of through their nose while wearing a mask,” he said.

But Sclafani said that constant mask-wearing has prompted some people to visit the dentist.

“Patients are coming into us like, ‘Wow, my breath smells, I need a cleaning.’ [But] when you smell the bad breath, you either already have periodontal disease or you have a lot of bacteria that’s sitting on your tongue because of dry mouth,” he said.
 

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Not sure about those sources.



 

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So what are you disputing? That's unclear.
 

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So what are you disputing? That's unclear.
Fruit of the less-than-factual tree. The distinctly non-science tone of the article and vague assertions as proof of vague assertions makes this newsertainment at best and misinformation at worst.

These sources are not outright discredited but they have records of low journalistic standards and/or errors verging on “Fake news”.

The Media Bias Fact Check website is pretty good at citing sources and categorizing news outlets regardless of political bent.

If I find myself either screaming into the computer or liking a source too much I see what less biased folks think of the source. Perspective.
 

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Horowitz is no fruitcake, reliable source. I did see a story just today about the Mask Mouth thing on the news. You don't really state though what it is that you take issue with other than "vague assertions".
 

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About “Media Bias / Fact Check” - the simple fact that this website chose a name that makes it by default “unbiased”, hence objective, makes it questionable. Any website that is owned by a person or a corporation, has behind it a human mind with his own agenda, hence it is already biased.
(Human minds can assimilate things only at the level of their perception).

For all I know, it can be controlled by a similar interest group that labels any ideas that contradicts the current narrative as a “conspiracy theory” in order to dismiss or diminish the alternative perspective presented on a specific set of events.

If I’m not mistaken, this stems from “critical theory “. Nothing new. It was used by mass media for centuries to manipulate the public.

So, the simple fact that the “Unibiased” website labels those comments/blogs as “unreliable”, it doesn’t make them wrong or inaccurate. It’s just a personal opinion of someone who set himself up as an objective, unbiased judge. The name selected for his website is suppose to give him “borrowed credibility”.
I don’t buy it. Otherwise it’s all good.

Cheers!
 

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Well I guess by that measure or line of thinking nothing is unbiased or biased or reliable or unreliable.
Cheers
 

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Horowitz: From Fort Benning to Japan and Hawaii, face masks are not working
Wow Von Gruff

Maybe a person from New Zealand that sells on the Internet should spend more time telling us about how the country he lives in. Locking all tourists out of the country has beat COVID-19.

I am sorry I spent the money to order one of your knifes after reading this.

I hope no one else wastes there money buying from you!!

Tom
 

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What a jerk thing to say! Whats wrong with you pickers anyway? Sheesh!!!(n)

You naysayers must work for CNN or MSNBC where the only "truth" is their truth. Typical liberal mindset, completely closed off to other opinions.
 
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Horowitz is no fruitcake, reliable source. I did see a story just today about the Mask Mouth thing on the news. You don't really state though what it is that you take issue with other than "vague assertions".
Well that first article makes claims that are partially substantiated by partial evidence with no real meaning. None of the numbers are presented with a data set of any sort. The confounding variables in the examples given are many. None of these are addressed in the article. Pseudo science, much like science fiction, sounds downright plausible if you’re not paying close attention.

It presents itself with an air of scientific knowledge and then devolves into religious dogma. While religion nor science exist in a vacuum, religion doesn’t belong in a discussion of a subject that’s wholly dependent upon science. Religion can comfort people in times like this but is unlikely to be the solution to the problem.
 

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Wow Von Gruff

Maybe a person from New Zealand that sells on the Internet should spend more time telling us about how the country he lives in. Locking all tourists out of the country has beat COVID-19.

I am sorry I spent the money to order one of your knifes after reading this.

I hope no one else wastes there money buying from you!!

Tom
Wow man. I have found that I disagree with Von Gruff in regards to religion and politics but feel he has a firm grasp of what it takes to build both an exquisite knife and rifle.

I respect the things this man is good at even if some of his views and opinions leave me shaking my head.

Take the good, leave the bad and play nice guys.

:)
 

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Well that first article makes claims that are partially substantiated by partial evidence with no real meaning. None of the numbers are presented with a data set of any sort. The confounding variables in the examples given are many. None of these are addressed in the article. Pseudo science, much like science fiction, sounds downright plausible if you’re not paying close attention.

It presents itself with an air of scientific knowledge and then devolves into religious dogma. While religion nor science exist in a vacuum, religion doesn’t belong in a discussion of a subject that’s wholly dependent upon science. Religion can comfort people in times like this but is unlikely to be the solution to the problem.
Pseudo intellectualism at its finest! Blah blah blah....
 

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Was just thinking you probably stand in front of a mirror to practice your brilliant oratory and believe every word you say. Get it? Or is that too simple?
 

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Was just thinking you probably stand in front of a mirror to practice your brilliant oratory and believe every word you say. Get it? Or is that too simple?
My mother tells me I’m very smart.

:p

But seriously, I’m right and you’re wrong. Plain enough for you?
 

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My mother tells me I’m very smart.

Of that I have no doubt!

LOL
 

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Wow Von Gruff

Maybe a person from New Zealand that sells on the Internet should spend more time telling us about how the country he lives in. Locking all tourists out of the country has beat COVID-19.

I am sorry I spent the money to order one of your knifes after reading this.

I hope no one else wastes there money buying from you!!

Tom
You are truly a piece of work.

A member of our forum simply cites a work by a respected, albeit somewhat conservative, attorney that challenges your narrow, seemingly terrified world view, with respect to a pandemic 99.8 % of us will survive regardless of the actions we take, and your reaction is to attack him personally. Those are, at best, the actions of the ignorant and small minded. You should get a torch and a pitchfork to complete your ensemble.

Several leading epidemiologists, Sweden's in particular. have expressed something close to amusement with regard to how long an island can remain cut off from the 21st century world. Yes, New Zealand controlled the virus - now what?
 

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Wow Von Gruff

Maybe a person from New Zealand that sells on the Internet should spend more time telling us about how the country he lives in. Locking all tourists out of the country has beat COVID-19.

I am sorry I spent the money to order one of your knifes after reading this.

I hope no one else wastes there money buying from you!!

Tom
That seems like an unnecessary comment.

I might have to buy a knife now.
 
 

 

 

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