I could never understand shoulder shots. An animal can run in to the next county on three legs. I ALWAYS go for a lung shot. They can't run if they can't breathe. I have to beat it in to my hunting friends heads. DON'T GO FOR THE SHOULDER, SHOOT THE FKN LUNGS! In the last two years they've lost two white tails going for the shoulder shots. Oh, and the Bergers will kill them even if you hit them in the ass. They dump ALL of their energy inside the animal, not in the dirt behind it. Their HVLDs and hybrids is all I ever use and I have NEVER lost an animal nor had to take a second shot with them and that's 100 to 700 yards, plains game.