Thank you for that Shootist43, I did not know the 7-08 was developed in Mexico by target shooters, at least partly in response to reloadable brass availability. It is good to learn something new as often as possible and it looks like today is my day. As previously mentioned, I mistakenly figured it was just Remington crowing: "We've developed a new and definitely better (wink, wink) 7 millimeter cartridge that, you easily-influenced-consumers simply must have". Anyway, I definitely sympathize with target shooters and hunters who, are stuck with tyrannical politicians that obviously despise the private ownership of firearms and ammunition. Kind regards, Velo Dog. PS: Sounds like those guys could shoot off hand! I might be able to hit a barn at 500 meters off hand, if I hold my mouth just right.