.458 win Mag hunting/guiding stories

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  1. Foxi

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    .458 bullets recovered from elephants, fired by four different rifles. The majority are Winchester factory loads, a few are Remingtons, used about 1965-1968. Note how few are deformed and none have split or broken open. The Winchester bullets could hardly be improved upon for elephants. Photo by Richard Harland."Hunting the African Elephant"
     
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    Since someone has already mentioned these other calibers, I'd like to add that the case length for the .264 WM, 7 mm RM, .338 WM and .458 WM is 2.500 inches but it is 2.620 inches for the .300 Win Mag. If the .458 WM had been designed with a 2.620 inch case length there probably would have been no need for the Lott.
     

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    The late Bill Quimby, was a .458 Win Mag shooter. As far as the stories, you would have to reference his books, and articles. The Lion in his avatar, was taken in the Kafue region of Zambia. I don't remember if he told me that he used the .458 on that beast or not?
     

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    This thread asks for stories, and over the last week I had too much time waiting at airports and unable to sleep on aeroplanes, so I tried to write...
     

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    Thick clouds of white-grey bulldust billowed-up behind the cut-down bull-catcher as the grader driver and trapper patrolled the tracks and fence lines, perhaps a beer each in-hand, trying to keep just ahead of the suffocating dragon chasing them through November’s awful build-up heat.

    The midday landscape was glaring and desolate, heat mirages almost racing alongside and underfoot. As usual, the wakwaks (crows) were making the afternoon boring, just sitting there, their harsh call the only thing heard above the engine. The bush was mostly stark and bare trees, their long-gone leaves littering the windswept ash with browns and faint reds and dull oranges. Only on some of the acacia patches could a colour be spied that almost appeared green but was still more of a grey.

    Then from out of nowhere came the beautiful Maiwok, or one of its branches. The dark, living green line of its bush-choked steep-sided banks proudly contrasted with the grim. The Maiwok feeds the Flying Fox which feeds the Roper which feeds the Gulf - which I guess feeds the world. Actually, that’s not true, the Maiwok doesn’t feed the Flying Fox at all, instead hitting the Roper upstream. But when you’re younger and thinking about other things you form a picture in your head to the best of your knowledge without technology and declare to yourself: “That’s about right!”

    The bull-catcher bucked downhill through the sandy ruts and into the Maiwok, which might’ve been a trickle or perhaps just a few stagnant small pools or a combination of both. It was definitely nice and shady down there, almost cool by comparison. And shifting into second or so, about to put the boot in for the up-side, the trapper was interrupted by the grader driver who was excited about some buffalo lurking in the shadows to the left - especially one particular fence-wrecker bull.

    The grader driver tumbled out with a Marlin .45-70 the trapper had never seen before. He sneaked his way through the strands of barbed wire, through the humming silence of heat punctuated by the tick-tick-tick of the switched-off bull-catcher, and slid the barrel over a fallen, burned-out bit of timber. The cowboy action cycled alright and after taking aim the hammer fell. He then commenced swearing and cursing, unable to open the action.

    The trapper had seen all this and knew it was a bad hit. With the grader driver still puzzling and muttering over the buggered-up lever-action, the trapper returned to the bull-catcher and took the Winchester .458 from the slip, and put-on the cartridge belt. The dried leaves were too thick upon the ground to warrant shoes, so he kicked his thongs off and left them, hoping the wounded bull wouldn’t be too far away in the hypsis.

    There was no blood trail, and fifty slow metres turned into a few hundred before the flick of an ear and the swishing of tails ahead gave away the presence of buffalos moving slowly along the pads leading out into the wilderness. They were several immature bulls only slightly spooked by the earlier report, but following the larger herd.

    The trapper followed the little bulls through the grey bush, hot and still save for the quiet procession. The little bulls made their way down a gentle incline and walked right into the rest of the herd, about thirty-strong, staring back the way they’d come for the source of the noise that had frightened them, faint grey ghosts through the grey and leafless brush. The trapper stopped still, searching for signs of an injured animal, aware that the sharp eyes of the herd would pick-up his very next step.

    The spell broke a few minutes later when the herd grew uneasy and began filing away to the south along the embankment. And out on the open flat behind the herd, a lone bull came limping into view, aiming to keep-up and rejoin. Some limps don’t mean much, and can be forgotten in a heartbeat, and this was one of them. There was a window for the trapper to shoot through at about seventy yards over the backs of the herd in front, and he made a good hit. In a moment only dust remained, and one old bull standing his ground out on the flat, unable to keep going.

    The barefoot stroll across the dry-cracked claypan was pain-free despite the burning heat, total concentration on the mortally-wounded bull. Initially he took a few feeble steps toward the distant amphitheater country, but grew more aware of the man walking ever-nearer and swung around to face this final threat and make his last stand.

    The trapper was about twenty-five yards away now, and as the bull sensed this and swung around to charge the first collision between heavy skull and heavy bullet rocked him but didn’t stop him, having missed the brain. The bull was struggling and yet still possessed the energy to launch himself into his final battle if granted the chance, however the bolt had already done its work and a split second later a new impact rocked him and he braced himself to stay upright before a final unfelt, unheard hit lifted his legs from underneath him, pitched his head up and crashed him into the dust.

    The grader driver was still cursing the jammed lever over a freshly cracked beer when the trapper returned.
     
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    Neat story Ben
    I guess you were the shot with the .458 (y)
    Thanks for sharing this adventure.
    (even if your English is very hard for me to translate o_O )
     
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    Ben you can write. Is this part of something larger you are writing?

    I had to read this twice to figure out you were referring to waterways.

    "Then from out of nowhere came the beautiful Maiwok, or one of its branches. The dark, living green line of its bush-choked steep-sided banks proudly contrasted with the grim. The Maiwok feeds the Flying Fox which feeds the Roper which feeds the Gulf - which I guess feeds the world. Actually, that’s not true, the Maiwok doesn’t feed the Flying Fox at all, instead hitting the Roper upstream. But when you’re younger and thinking about other things you form a picture in your head to the best of your knowledge without technology and declare to yourself: “That’s about right!”
     
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    I use a 458 Win mag now... previously used 375H&H mag for DG.
    2 x Ellie's with 500gr solids
    6 x buff using 500gr Swift A Frame softs, all one shot kills.
    VERY happy with this rifle( CZ 550) and Calibre.
     

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    Nothing wrong with the 458WM unless you cant put the bullet in the right place.

    I too was doubting its capabilities & allowed myself to be talked a hole in the head due to its poor velocity required for cats.
    In the end, my oldman decided against the "advice" and shot his lioness a few weeks ago with a one shot kill on the shoulder. She never made it further than 5M.
    The same can be said for just about everything else that it barked at with a 480grn peregrine expandable mono's (hand loads) through the vitals.
    I never took a photo of the entry holes, but I could easily fit my thumb in there with all of them passing through, leaving double the size exit wounds .

    We will be going after buffalo & crop raiding hippos later this year, guess what the oldman will be taking on these hunts.

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    I own three oft this rifles, two Mannlicher-Schoenauer MC and one Mauser M66.

    All of them have 65 cm (25"+) Barrels, and all are loaded with a full dosis of modern powders.

    They all deliver the expected velocity and all perform flawlessly on game....

    Nothing wrong with the .458...... not today.

    HWL
     
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    Any thoughts on the 450 Rigby?
    I live and Hunt in Alaska but I just have the urge to go big this year.
     

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    Scrub bull, Winchester M70 .458WM, 500 grain Woodleighs (can’t recall if softs or solids)
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    Buffalo, Winchester M70 .458WM, 500 grain Woodleigh solids

    I remember it was a freezing cold morning, 8 degrees Celsius.

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    And the buffalo from the little yarn I wrote, same rifle and I think I was using 500 grain Woodleigh softs but I’m not certain...

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    Well, I procrastinated to long and someone else bought the rifle. Anyway, I'm still in the hunt for another reasonably priced .458WM. Thanks! Oh yeah, I already bought 100 Norma .458 cases from Midway USA cause they were on sale, so now I'm deciding on either/or 350 or 400gr Speers for practice/maybe elk hunting this fall if a rifle falls into place. Kinda of A** backwards, but I'm still moving forward, so to speak!
     
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    Nothing wrong with that approach! I bought dies and some factory ammo to test, and so far my actual .458WM is just a Mauser action and some Wiebe bottom metal!
     

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    Thanks for your support! I was so disappointed I missed the deal on that rifle, that I haven't been replying to many interesting posts on this forum. I'll get over it, but it's nice to hear from your perspective on this. Thanks again!
     

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    If you don't mind, what rifle brand/scope are you using? Thanks! GREAT photo, by the way!
     

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    Somewhere along the line the debate over ballistics always pops up.
    For comparison, we fired a few rounds through the chrony yesterday.
    Hornady 500gr solids +-2,070fps.
    Winchester 510gr? Softs from many years ago... +-2,060fps
    480gr peregrine vrg2 copper solid +-2,150fps

    I think the old Winchester ammo was the same my dad used to use back in the day, and that’s way back...
    Might pull one and see what gr it is.

    The vrg2 copper solid went 2’ through a bag of sand and then on to a loose hanging 2” thick converter belt. The front had expanded a bit and it had bent a little. Will try get. A pic loaded later.
    At that speed, I’d have no issues him taking it hunting.
    It’s an old Cogswell and Harrison so I reckon it deserves a few more visits to the bush.
     
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    Thanks, PeteG. What’s the barrel length on that one?
     

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