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Has anyone used a Marlin 45-70 govt in africa on buffalo or dangerous game and have you been succesful any videos on this
 
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Hi all
Has anyone used a Marlin 45-70 govt in africa on buffalo or dangerous game and have you been succesful any videos on this

I have Not used on dangerous game. Most folks think the 45-70 bullet moves too slow to gain the penetration needed for buff. It’s a 325 grain bullet moving at about 1800 feet per second. On a thin skin cat sure but I suspect most PHs would be a little concerned on a buff. There have been folks on this site that have used it on buff.
 
Most African countries have a minimum required gun and/or energy requirement for DG and it's usually a .375 and up, so from a bullet size, the 45 cal works. However, from an energy standpoint, the requirements are 5,400 joules or 4000 ft-lbs. The 45-70 Gov't is about half of that.
 
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African Quest - part I
by Vince Lupo
Pubished by Permission of Author

What hunter looking down the barrel of his or her rifle, hasn’t at one point or another, envisioned the prey to be an African Lion, or maybe a sleek Leopard. Yes, a dream to be on an African Safari!

In my case that dream became a reality in May of 2001. It was then that I left to go on a genuine African Safari. Even the words “African Safari” flood the mind with visions of tall grass, big-tusked bull Elephants and a pride of roaring Lions with its huge majestic black maned leader standing as the king that he is!

Little did I know at that time, that my dream was the beginning of a 13 month quest to complete the challenge of taking the African dangerous game Big Six, Elephant, Rhinoceros, Hippopotamus, Cape Buffalo, Lion and Leopard, and was going to lead me through tall swaying brown grass, hundreds of ripping thorn bushes, over rock strewn hills and vertical mountains, into surgery and a 6 day hospital stay to repair a broken ankle and the taking of approximately 35 fantastic African trophies!

On May 9, 2001, I stepped off of a South African Airlines plane, picked up my considerable amount of luggage, thanked God that my rifle case arrived, cleared customs, walked out the secured entrance, and was immediately greeted by the wide spreading arms of the ever smiling Mr. Danie Clifford sr., veteran Professional Hunter and owner of Mahlapholane Safaris. Danie, pronounced Donny, had been awaiting the arrival of my airplane at the bustling Johannesburg International Airport. Donny almost immediately whisked me, my gun case, and my mountain of luggage (on this, my first trip to South Africa and my very first Safari, I had packed everything I could think of and consequently was, shall we say, a tad bit “over” packed!) into one of his right hand drive Land Rovers, and off we drove at what seemed to me to be a rather “brisk” speed, so very typical of South African drivers. About an hour and a half later we drove thru the town of Wambath, located in the Northern Province, and a short time later, arrived at the beautiful XXXXX hector Mahlapholane Safari and Hunting Lodge, my base of operations for the next 3 hunt packed weeks.

On this, and my next two safaris, I took as my primary rifle, a lever action 45-70 Marlin rifle and a fair supply of Garrett Hammerhead Cartridges in 540 grain and 420 grain loads. I had used this rifle and ammunition combination with great success on many other North American hunts and felt confident that this combination could take on whatever Africa had in store for me. One of the first things you do after settling in (unpacking etc.) is to immediately go to a firing range and check that your rifle has not been so mishandled as to warrant it useless! I honestly believe I heard gasps as I took my 45-70-lever action Marlin out of its case. The P.H.’s on this side of the “pond” used primarily double rifles and huge magnum bolt rifles. To compound the matter, I loaded the rifle with the most unusual cartridges that they had seen, 540 grain, solid cast, Garrett Cartridge Hammerheads. After punching out the center spot 3 times at 100 yards and their examining both the cartridge and the decimated backstop, they concluded that it would do “splendidly”.

As the days passed, I began to systematically amass a sizable amount of beautiful African plains game, including: Impalas, Blesbuck, Red Hartebeest, Blue Wildebeest, Zebra, Serval, Warthogs, Steenbok, Kudu, Jackal, Common Reedbuck and Black Sable. Then finely came the day when we were going to go after my main quarry, a Cape Buffalo! We hunted hard for him for three days and finely spotted him about 140 yards away. We closed to about 80 yards but the changing wind direction told us that it was now or we would have to try another day! But my time was running out. I took steady aim as he crossed broadside, left to right, and sent a 540gr Hammerhead into his right shoulder knocking him down, almost immediately he was up, turned and faced me with a look that I shall never forget, and launched himself straight at me. Within seconds he covered about 20 yards when he met a second 540gr Hammerhead hitting him below the chin in the neck area and driving him back on his butt and down for the count! We cautiously approached him, heard his death bellows, whereupon I delivered an “insurance” shot at about 15 yards. He truly was a great “Old Dagga Boy” with hard solid 13-inch bosses and a beautiful set of deep curling horns. My first shot broke both shoulders and exited as did my second shot which exited the rear of the bull. Without a doubt, a truly fantastic experience that I new I would want to repeat!

Five months later, in November, I was on another SAA flight headed back to South Africa and beautiful Mahlapholane. On this three-week safari, my main quarry would be another Cape Buffalo and what I hoped would be a beautiful male Leopard. Within a week, my P.H., Donny Clifford, had me using my Hammerhead loaded Marlin to bag a Mountain Reedbuck, great Bushbuck, Warthog, large Waterbuck and a fantastic Livingston Eland. In the beginning of the second week, Donny told me that they had determined that they had spotted a very large male Leopard and that it was now time to go after him. To make a long an interesting story short, the best-prepared plans hardly ever work out and the next thing I know, I am looking down the barrel at a huge male Leopard running straight at me full steam. Despite my best efforts the “only” shot I could get off was when the Leopard was 6 inches “in front” of the muzzle. The 420gr Hammerhead hit him square in the left eye killing him instantly.

Needless to say, after we got out of shock, it was high fives and cheers all round! Believe me, that 220lb-charging Leopard took a bunch of years off of my life, or was it the great party that we had at the lodge that night! I was scheduled to go after Cape Buffalo in a couple of days but one of the trackers said that he had seen a huge Waterbuck. I told Donny that I would be interested in taking it if it were larger then the one I had shot earlier. So off we went. Sure enough, the waterbuck was indeed huge! He stood off in some marsh grass broadside at about 100 yards. I sent a 420gr Hammerhead spinning down range for a perfect shoulder shot dropping the huge bull in his tracks. In a matter of moments we began to walk to the dead Waterbuck and then “IT” happened! I slipped in the wet marsh grass and knew almost instantly that I had broken my ankle! 24 hours later I lay on the surgical table at Jacaranda Hospital in Pretoria having a titanium plate with 6 screws installed as a permanent attachment to my ankle! From that point on, I knew that I would always have fun at airports! Six days later I am back at beautiful Mahlapholane, cast pointed straight up into space marking time to my departure date and the end of my second Safari! At this point in time, I had only succeeded in taking 2 (Cape Buffalo and Leopard) of the African Dangerous Game Big Six. But the other 4 (Elephant, Rhino, Hippo and Lion), the Guinness world record, and much more, awaited me on my third but not final Safari!

African Quest - part II

On June 11, 2002, 13 months after I had begun my first safari and had taken a fantastic Cape Buffalo, and 7 months after my second safari, were I managed to take a huge male Leopard and break my ankle, I found myself getting off an S.A.A. airplane at Johannesburg Airport, were I was once again greeted by my good friend and veteran Professional Hunter Danie Clifford sr. Over the previous seven months, Donny and I had worked out a plan that would allow me to complete my quest for the African Dangerous Game Big Six over a 4 week Safari. During those fabulous 4 weeks I would have to take an Elephant, a Rhinoceros, a Hippopotamus, and a Lion. None of this would be easy and we knew going into it that it was problematic that we would finish our objective. Each of these 4 fantastic animals is different in temperament, location, size, aggressiveness, behavior, and most of all, what I will call find ability! As before, I would be using my 45-70-lever action Marlin rifle loaded with 540gr Garrett Cartridge Hammerheads for the Elephant, Rhino, and Hippo, and 420gr Hammerheads for the Lion.

Ambitious to say the least! But I had every confidence in the folks at Mahlapholane Safaris and in particular my Professional Hunters, the Clifford’s, Danie senior and junior. Donny sr. had divided the 4-week safari into 4 separate segments each built around one of the four main animals that we were to hunt. Along the way, they would guide me thru the taking of some pretty special plains game trophies, including; 2 Zebra, a large Blue and a huge Black Wildebeest, 2 trophy Oryx one bigger then the other, a large male Baboon, a Common and a White Blesbuck, 2 Warthogs, 3 Springbucks 2 Common and one Black, and the most fantastic trophy bull Nyala that I have ever seen.

First on the list was the African White Rhinoceros. The only way I can describe a Rhino is to compare it to an amour plated tank with 2 fierce horns sticking from the middle of its’ 6 foot long head! It is more agile then one would believe and has an acute sense of smell and hearing. Our trackers had indicated that they had located several bulls and that they believed they had put us on the tracks of the largest bull in the area. We followed print and spore for quite some time and finely the trackers who were some distance ahead of us motioned us to come quickly. When I got there they were pointing through some thick bushes down into a small open meadow about 100 yards away and kept gesturing that the Rhino was there. To their amazement and consternation, I saw “nothing”! Now more excited then ever both they and Donny jr. kept pointing down the meadow and for the life of me I could see absolutely NOTHING! Then all of a sudden I saw an ear and a huge Rhinoceros head move not 10 or 12 feet in front of the right bush that I had been looking BETWEEN! Once my knees stopped knocking, I instantly put the crosshairs of my 45-70-Marlin just behind his front left shoulder and let fly with a 540gr Garrett Cartridges Hammerhead. At that short range my aim was absolutely perfect and I immediately followed up with another shoulder shot that had the huge bull swaying from side to side. There was no doubt that he was going to go down. But he began to stagger forward towards a small ravine and I immediately moved to the front of him to try and finish him so that he would not end up in the ravine. It took a side brain shot to place him down and out. What a fantastic Rhino. His horns measured a clean combined 90 inches (the addition of the two bases and the two heights) that made him a solid gold medal Rhino! That night, what a party!

Week two, and hopefully, my Elephant! We got a call that 3 bull Elephants had broken out of Kruger National Park and had damaged a small village as they cut through it. We managed to get there the next day and after meeting with the villagers we trekked off in the general direction of the bulls. Fortunately, we had hired a micro-light airplane that had taken off and followed the animals’ path of destruction. They later landed and gave us a very rough idea of about where the Elephants were headed. After a long and hard walk through some pretty impressive bush, we closed in on them and saw that one of the bulls was truly exceptional. We realized that with 3 large bull Elephants standing side by side, “life would not be easy”. Given the swirling wind, and the high level of sensitivity of Elephants, we could only stalk up to about 60 yards. We could not chance moving in any closer. As the largest bull turned his head to the left, I sent a 540gr Hammerhead slamming into his left side temple followed immediately by a second shot to his rear spine as he fell to his right. The other 2 bulls trumpeted and headed off at a quick pace. We circled to the front of the Elephant were at about 10 feet I placed an insurance frontal brain shot. His large tusk weighed in at 68lbs and his smaller one at 46lbs for a total of 114lbs! We donated about 10 tons of meat to a very happy village that immediately started a huge party!

So far, my luck was holding out, I sorely remember breaking my ankle and ending my second safari well short of my goals. The third week and if all went well, I would get my Lion and at least complete the Big Five! The hunt for the Lion on the open plains was everything you could imagine it to be and then some. The trackers pointed down to dinner plate sized paw prints. I laid a 420 grain 45-70 Garrett Hammerhead Cartridge down alongside of the paw print and it looked like it was a lowly 22 short! I took a picture of it, that’s how much it impressed me. In no time at all the trackers had put us within 100 yards of a huge dark maned male Lion feeding on a Blesbuck that he had taken. I was able to stalk to within 60 yards of him and inched up about another 10 yards when I slung a 420gr Hammerhead into his left front shoulder sending him straight up into the air doing a full 180 while airborne. He landed with a roar and took off about 20 yards, turned and charged straight at me causing me to do the only thing I could. I immediately sent another 420gr Hammerhead straight into his brain to the right of his left eye. It knocked him back and bowled him over with his feet straight up in the air. I had done it, the Big Five with a 45-70 lever- action Marlin rifle loaded with Garrett Cartridges! You want to talk about party? Man what a party!

Week four and they tell me that they have tracked down a monster of a bull Hippo. We find him alone and feeding alongside of a small lake. Carefully testing the wind, we managed to quietly stalk up to about 5 yards from him. He is facing me broadside with his head to my left. I raised my Marlin loaded with 540gr Hammerheads to place a clean side brain shot, eased the hammer to the full back position, and gently squeezed the trigger. In one single instant I am in trouble up past my ears! In my excitement I had not taken the safety off and the loudest click you have ever heard in your life shattered the morning silence! Instinct took over as I immediately pulled the hammer back and pushed the safety off. But this time I was looking straight between the eyes of an extremely upset bull Hippopotamus who had turned to face and charge me. At less then 10 feet (recorded on video) I slammed a 540gr Garrett Cartridges Hammerhead cleanly between his eyes dropping him instantly in his tracks! I followed almost immediately with an insurance brain shot 2 inches to the right of the first one. I have never met Mr. Garrett, of Garrett Cartridges, but I swear to God if he were there at that moment I would have kissed him!

I HAD DONE IT! THE FIRST MAN IN HISTORY TO TAKE THE AFRICAN DANGEROUS GAME BIG SIX WITH A LEVER ACTION MARLIN RIFLE WITH GARRETT CARTRIDGES 45-70 HAMMERHEADS! I am awaiting confirmation of that fact from the Guinness World Record Book people. Now do you want to talk about PARTY!

The African Big Six With a Levergun!



You can see more photos and read more of Vince Lupo on his website
www.vincelupo.com
 

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When in Africa last year a gentleman from Texas shot both a lion and a cape buffalo with a lever 45-70. His sister shot a buff with a 44mag. pistol. Not my choice but it can be down with proper ammo.
 
@Garry Bezuidenhout the first DG hunt I went in in South Africa 2014, the PH was ok with me using my 45-70 Marlin. As menti9ned seems me countries will look at the energy. Ask the outfitter you wish to use.
 
To answer the original question, YES. Also with Winchester lever actions.
Many African game animals have been taken with lever action rifles ranging from 30--30 to 45-90.
With the right bullets, these rifles can and have taken DG.
My own 1895 .405 and 1886 .45-90 have taken multiple cape buff, leopard, and an ele.
At least one outfitter has put on several levergun Safaris and one of those hunters has also taken big stuff with a big bore revolver.
One of my friends took several leopards with 45-70 and a rhino with a .454 Casull revolver. I have seen the videos.

Big deal.
There is none of the old African or Indian mystique as with a double rifle or fancy bolt rifle, just shooting big game with big bore rifles. Same hunting, careful shooting, and excitement, made even more exciting if you hand load your own ammo.
 
Hi all
Has anyone used a Marlin 45-70 govt in africa on buffalo or dangerous game and have you been succesful any videos on this

A Marlin 45-70 makes a good pig gun.

Not recommended as a African DG rifle or cartridge, irrespective of what you may read in the media.

If you want to hunt DG in Africa at least do so with a combination that is up to the task.

Can you STOP any of the DG in Africa when a charge situation arises with a 45-70 lever gun? You may get lucky with a leopard, as for the rest, good luck.

Leave your cowboy gun at home if you plan on hunting DG in Africa. It will be the best decision not only for yourself and the team hunting with you but also for the DG you intend hunting.
 
Hi all
Has anyone used a Marlin 45-70 govt in africa on buffalo or dangerous game and have you been succesful any videos on this
took my first bull with my scope sighted contender in 45-70,shooting the 405 gr cor-bon penetrator bullet.
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I have seen a lot of these threads over the years, and the 45-70 is universally disparaged, because it doesn't come up to the numbers, or have the high velocity/explosive wounding element that is involved in getting clean kills on the largest animals. the 45-70 can drill through just about anything, but it isn't clear why one would bother. Using too little gun just means you are leaning more on the PH,. which isn't ideally why I would go to shoot DG even though it is a reality. If you do go with a 45-70, be sure you get the best specialist 500 grain ammo.

What I also noticed in all these threads was that a lot of the push back disappears when you mention the 50 alaskan (available in custom Marlins). the 470 Turnbull, or the 50-110 which come closer to the ideal numbers. Better to try these in the 1886. Probably the best rifle is the Winchester 1895, as it has a box mag, and controlled feed of a sort. Just off the top of my head seems like a candidate for 9.3x62 chambering. If you are lucky, you might find a guide willing to accept that cartridge.:)

If you can get a gun to feed and fire with perfect reliability, then you are going to be able hose the bullets out of that lever a lot faster than with a bolt. So just remember that the sights determine the rate of fire.
 
A +1 on some of what Tam said.
"What I also noticed in all these threads was that a lot of the push back disappears when you mention the 50 alaskan (available in custom Marlins). the 470 Turnbull, or the 50-110 which come closer to the ideal numbers." Agreed when the proper ballistics and bullet type are stated; such as my .45-90 with 450 grain Kodiak FMJ at 2150 fps load by Grizzly Cartridge.

On .405 WCF, no need to re-chamber, - just shoot NF 300 grain FPS at 2250 fps or 400 grain Woodleigh at 2076 fps. both loads take down big critters ASAP.
 
Hi all
Has anyone used a Marlin 45-70 govt in africa on buffalo or dangerous game and have you been succesful any videos on this

The 45/70 is a short range rifle. I have one that spiders have taken up residence.
The300 grain Bullets will actually generate much more energy than the 405. The 495 grain Bullets may penetrate thin skinned African animals but I sincerely doubt whether the 45/70 Bullets would penetrate thick skinned animals shot at the usual ranges. I feel the 45/70 has a rainbow trajectory especially with the heaviest Bullets.
I suggest most sincerely that you do not use that caliber/rifle other than at short ranges and on thin skilled animals. Should good on small plains game and warthogs at (again) short distances.
 
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