.425WR - Thoughts

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  1. Jumbo

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    Hi Guys,

    reaching out to those who know a lot more than me. I am looking for a .400 size class bolt rifle that is a bit out of the ordinary.

    I have considered all the logical (but more mainstream) calibers like the .416 Rigby, the 404J and even upwards. Then I found a pretty, if simple, .425WR that has grabbed my attention. Ballistically I love the space it puts the rifle into, as I have a .375H&H and a .470NE. This is kinda like the bolt equivalent of the .470NE, rather than the 404J which is like a heavy bullet .375H&H.

    The questions then become:
    • reliability of feed - it doesn't have the magazine clips. What can be done at this stage?
    • availability of ammo - we aren't legally allowed to reload here, so it is a challenge as I can only find Kynoch who load for it - and they aren't known for reliability of supply.
    So for those who know, what are the options, considerations and other questions I should be asking?

    Just for clarity, this is not a "best" grade gun, but rather a really neat game dept. gun.

    thanks guys
     
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  2. Hoss Delgado

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    Screenshot_20190821-124637_01.png Screenshot_20190821-112517_01.png Screenshot_20190821-112525.png I can actually provide information from personal experience on this gun , as l have shot one of these in Australia . A close friend of mine owns it and uses it on Australian game .
    He owns one made in 1951 . It has a 3 shot Magazine. I liked it a lot initially . I actually sent an Email to Westley Richards asking about the gun . The email is below. I however , fell out of favor with it. You see , Westley Richards used to calibrate their rifles for a 2350 fps load. Now , they calibrate the rifles to handle 2150 fps loads. That's a reduction in 200 fps Velocity. . Now, l could be very wrong. Maybe the 2150 fps Velocity is adequate for an elephant. But not as much as the 2350 fps load. That much , my layman's knowledge of ballistics tells me.
    Now , in regards to your specific questions , the " Game Department " models of the .425 Westley Richards rifles have been famous for feeding problems specifically BECAUSE they didn't have the feeding lips in them. The .425 Westley Richards has a rebated rim which really benefits from the feeding lips. When , Westley Richards made the " White Hunter " or Game Department models , they discarded with the feed lips in order to save costs. It ended up costing quite a few hunters their lives.
    Now , you don't reload . I think l should warn you that the only people who make Factory ammunition for the .425 Westley Richards , is Kynamco. But they only make Soft nose Ammunition. For solids , they offer loading components , which you have to handload. I had emailed Kynamco as well .
    All these factors considered , l would much recommend you get yourself a .416 Rigby :) Same 410 grain bullet. Better velocity . Better reliability. And factory loaded Ammunition is widely available :) .
    That Said , the Uganda Game Department used to issue this caliber to their Native Hunters , who used them on Elephant with quite a bit of success. The Tseste Fly Control department in Rhodesia were also issued this Caliber ( although there were reports of feeding problems ).
    Mr. Robin Hurt of Hurt Safaris owns a Best Grade Westley Richards Mauser in .425 Westley Richards made for him about twenty years ago when Simon Clode of Westley Richards was still alive . However , for Hunting Dangerous Game , he Prefers his .500 Nitro Express William Evans Double rifle.
    My own friend uses his one with Kynamco soft points on Australian Feral goats . It performs well.
    But still . I prefer the .416 Rigby
    All the best,
    Hoss Delgado
     
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  3. Hoss Delgado

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    As an interesting Side note , Don Heath ( Ganyana ) had his men make homemade Monolithic solid bullets for their .425 Westley Richards rifles by machining them from Brass Bar stock . They did this to feed their .425 Westley Richards rifles when Kynoch discontinued Centre fire Cartridges in 1961
     

  4. spike.t

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    why not do a 470 Captstick?

    its fairly uncommon and will give you outstanding performance on dangerous game.

    -matt
     
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    You know my thoughts...
    Go for it. You wont regret it and if you really don't like it, i'll look after it for you! ;)
     
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  8. Jumbo

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    Yeah Mike, I am trying, but its tough to get to Harare! need to find a day or two...……...but the temptation and desire are real!
     

  9. Jumbo

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    Unfortunately I'm SO old school the caliber doesn't even get me a little curious...……………….as good as the ballistics are...………….sorry!
     
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  10. Jumbo

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    Obvious!
     

  11. Jumbo

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    Thanks Aaron,

    That is a great article......……….and all you did was make me believe its worth pursuing and seemingly a resolvable issue if it does have any feeding maladies.

    Thank you!
     

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    I have one but reload for it, Bertram is the only brass I can find, and I believe Kynock uses this brass. The brass in my opinion is garbage, I ended up making my brass from 404 Jeffery. I know you can’t handload so Kynock factory ammo is your only option unless you can get one of the custom loaders in the US to load for you. It’s a great caliber and I love mine.
     
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    I've heard a lot of complaints about Bertham Brass. I have never handloaded . But l plan to start pretty soon for an 11.2 × 72 Schuler rifle. Are they really that bad ?
     

  14. Jumbo

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    Thanks for the info and comments. Is yours a “best grade” rifle or a game Dept. Version? Does it have magazine clips?
     

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    Mine is a custom built Montana 99
     
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    Paying $4 per case in Canada, I had to trim some .100 and had to swage the primer pocket. Also the rims where all over the place for diameter and thickness. I have head separation on first firing on 4 out of the 100 I bought. There QC is non existent
     
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  17. Witold Krzyżanowski

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    +1 Mike.
     

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    Let me get this straight- you can't reload there but want something unsual/rare where the ammo will be difficult to find, expensive for certain and if found may be loaded with substandard bullets?
     
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  19. Jumbo

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    Lol!

    Never said it was a logical choice!

    The way I see it, is being a big bore I won’t shoot it too much, so I can order and plan ammo. (I have a few more sensible calibers if I need something in a hurry) but it ticks my box of being a proper classic.
     
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    You Can not legally reload in RSA — really? I believe I heard detailed discussions/conversations while there about reloading.
    (No names )
     

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