416 Taylor Improved compared to 416 Ruger?

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Do any of you guys happen to have a H20 case capacity for your 416 ruger? My fully formed norma brass in my taylor improved has an H20 capacity of 97.0. So far this is what I have worked up with 350 and 400 grain bullets. All were developed in 95 plus degree weather, and i have 7 reloads on this brass and still have tight primer pockets. Still have not ran into pressure signs, but this where I stopped load developed anyways.

#350 speer MT 83 gr RL15= 2699fps
#350 TTSX 79 gr RL15= 2638fps
#400 DGX 76 gr RL15= 2450fps

Just trying to see how the taylor improved compares to the 416 ruger.
 

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My .375 Ruger turns in 102 of H2O - not the exact same, but maybe will help a little bit - I refused toview the .416 Ruger guide gun that was up for sale in the classifieds recently, or I would be able to help you with the exact cartridge. Good thing I didn't look at it - I would have bought it!
 

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My .375 Ruger turns in 102 of H2O - not the exact same, but maybe will help a little bit - I refused toview the .416 Ruger guide gun that was up for sale in the classifieds recently, or I would be able to help you with the exact cartridge. Good thing I didn't look at it - I would have bought it!
Haha i understand. I been watching a model 70 safari in 416 rem mag on gunbroker. Ive had to stop myself from bidding. It needs to hurry up and close the auction before I loose my self control
 

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The Speer Handloading Manual Number 15:

416 Ruger
Average Case Capacity = 100 grains H2O.
Max Average Pressure = 62,000 psi - SAAMI

416 Remington
Average Case Capacity = 107 grains H2O.
Max Average Pressure = 65,000 psi, 54,000 CUP - SAAMI
 

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The same manual lists the 416 Ruger:
Maximum Load for 350 grain Speer Mag-Tip SP Hot-Cor, 24” Test Barrel, Alliant Reloader 15 as,
82.2 grains for 2619 FPS

416 Remington, Same 350 grain bullet and Reloader 15, Max Load:
85 grains = 2629 FPS, 24” Test Barrel


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The Speer Handloading Manual Number 15:

416 Ruger
Average Case Capacity = 100 grains H2O.
Max Average Pressure = 62,000 psi - SAAMI

416 Remington
Average Case Capacity = 107 grains H2O.
Max Average Pressure = 65,000 psi, 54,000 CUP - SAAMI
 

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My .375 Ruger turns in 102 of H2O - not the exact same, but maybe will help a little bit - I refused toview the .416 Ruger guide gun that was up for sale in the classifieds recently, or I would be able to help you with the exact cartridge. Good thing I didn't look at it - I would have bought it!
And you should have bought it.
Never mind, you have a safari coming up.
Put the $$ towards a Giraffe.
 

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The same manual lists the 416 Ruger:
Maximum Load for 350 grain Speer Mag-Tip SP Hot-Cor, 24” Test Barrel, Alliant Reloader 15 as,
82.2 grains for 2619 FPS

416 Remington, Same 350 grain bullet and Reloader 15, Max Load:
85 grains = 2629 FPS, 24” Test Barrel


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Thanks! That has me thinking my max loads are not as safe as I thought. I doubt my 25.5" barrel would make much of a velocity difference either. I do still feel confident my hunting loads are safe though they are:

*350 MT 78.5 gr RL15 = 2610 fps
*350 TTSX 75.5 gr RL15 = 2530 fps
*400 DGX 75 gr RL15 = 2411 fps
 

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I doubt anything would survive your loads just make sure you load the new bonded version of DGX at those speeds. 2350fps is plenty for the 416 and a 400gr bullet.
 

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I doubt anything would survive your loads just make sure you load the new bonded version of DGX at those speeds. 2350fps is plenty for the 416 and a 400gr bullet.
Thanks, If I ever got to hunt in Africa I would definitely load 400's to 2300-2350 fps. To guarantee no pressure issues.
 

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Personally, I would consider your hunting loads maximum loads. But, I hunt with no-issue with near maximum / maximum book loads.

I am not a ballistics tech/ scientist / or engineer, but it would seem you are inline with this Speer Manual.

I don’t think anything on the receiving end, would have any less terminal reception at 100 FPS less than your hunting loads.

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Thanks! That has me thinking my max loads are not as safe as I thought. I doubt my 25.5" barrel would make much of a velocity difference either. I do still feel confident my hunting loads are safe though they are:

*350 MT 78.5 gr RL15 = 2610 fps
*350 TTSX 75.5 gr RL15 = 2530 fps
*400 DGX 75 gr RL15 = 2411 fps
 

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I will add, I hunt where the mid 70 degrees would be the Very Hot day. I hunt Alaska, usually mid 60 degrees or less.
I have shorter barrels on my 416 Rugers and 416 Remington. The Ruger is 20” and Remington 22”.

The 350 grain TSX bullet is bullet that I have been using for the 416 Ruger. I have not yet chronographed my loads. I obtained the load data from a gentleman that writes / wrote for European sporting magazines and did a lot of work with Barnes bullets and the 416 Ruger. I am 1.5 grains less than his maximum with IMR 4320. He was getting 2500 FPS with a 23” barrel. Wild ass guess on my part but, guessing 2350’ish out of my 20”. It worked well on the couple of moose that I have shot with it. And groups outstanding at 100 meters. The areas that I hunt, 200-225 yds is the absolute maximum shot distance. Usual distance is about 25 to 175 yds.

I hope to finally chronograph these within a few days. I want to load the 350 grain Tipped TSX. It’s b.c. maintains velocity better. Which is not a major issue at my distances. But, I will take what I can easily get.
With all that said, with my shorter barrels, I will be satisfied with 2350 FPS. I am hoping for in the low 2400 FPS range.

From speaking with Barnes, the 416 Ruger is/was on their list for their eventually forthcoming reloading manual.
 

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My typical ranges are from powder burn range to 175 yards lol. Our deer season is pretty much from 25 to 45 degrees on average. So I do all my load development during the summer. only have whitetail, or occasional pig to hunt. Thats why I'm pretty much sticking to the 350 speers, as I figure that is probably the softest 416 bullet available. Ive had pretty good luck with the 350 TTSX as far a accuracy. That bullet does eat up a pretty good bit of powder space in my case. If I had moose and really large game like you do in Alaska, the the 350 TTSX would be my choice too.
 

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