416 Remington vs 416 Rigby

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  1. bassasdaindia

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    hi all , I am just thinking out aloud .

    apologies if this question has been asked before and I am repeating it.

    I am of the opinion that the Winchester M70 is one the finest value for money rifles available as a factory produced rifle.

    what then is the difference between the 416 Rigby and 416 Remington bullet and ballistics in your opinions as Winchester do make the M70 in 416 Remington .

    thanks in advance .
     

  2. enysse

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    It's been asked in the last year, but the .416 Rigby has a lot more room for more powder and power. Most say at lower pressure too. That being said on relative terms, no animal is gonna know the difference between the two. If you look at the ballistic data for the .416 Rem it's excellent with plenty of power.
     
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    Enysse summed it up. If your NOT a reloader then the loss/gain is minute, reloading you can wring some more juice out of the Rigby at LP's
    Too bad Winchester dosen't chamber in Rigby, till then I'm content with the 416 Rem. as dead is dead.
     
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    I agree that it is a great pity Winchester do not make a Rigby
     

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    Win would have to re-engineer the M70 to handle the larger Rigby case. It could be done, but would probably be cost prohibitive for them. Harry Selby's Rigby was built on a standard 98 military size action if memory serves. If a guy liked the Weatherby actions, a Rigby could be built on one of those easily enough. I once thought I must have a .416 Rigby, but you know what? The .404 works just fine for me, especially since it just rents a space in my safe.:rolleyes:
     
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    I hunted with my Winchester 416 rem over the past week , this rifle is becoming one of my favorite rifles .

    loaded with 350g swift A frames i find the recoil similar to my 375 h&h
     
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    To rip-off another member from another thread - "So, there's actually some other .416 out there besides the Rigby?"
     

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    Well there really is not that much difference between a 404 Jeffrey, 416 Rigby or 416 Rem. If you go on costs: The .404 Jeffrey will set you back on the rifle purchase, ammo not so much. The 416 Rigby is a little more than 416 Rem in rifle costs and the ammo is expensive. The 416 Rem is the best of both worlds, cheaper rifle and ammo.
     

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    The only time I will say 416 Rigby superior, is on elephant penetration, otherwise they all pretty much right there, @Velo Dog , not that rear penetration...
     
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    not that I am saying my winchester Mod 70 in 416 Rem is better than any of my other rifles in the 40's

    I just really enjoyed this rifle !
     

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    Nothing wrong with saying you like a certain rifle! I'm the same way!
     

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    BTW , I am off to Zambia in June , hunting Buffallo and I will be taking my other 416 , the Rigby :)
     
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    Please direct all elephant comments to the lucky chap who Married my ex-wife.
     

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    450-400, 416 Rigby, Hoffman, Dakota, Cappstick, Remington, Ruger and Taylor and 404 Jeffery are all pretty much in the same league in their original factory loadings.

    With today's modern powders hot weather and pressure went out with Cordite! Projectile development too has leap forward in great bounds. It now comes down to four things. The availability of brass of the above mentioned rounds, or ammo for those that don't reload. Secondly, what size action/ firearm you want to tote around all day long. Thirdly, how much wallop do you want on your end? Finally, what you are most comfortable, confident and competent with.

    Glad we have not brought the 416 Weatherby into this discussion.( an Elmer Keith" what good is it" expression comes to mind).

    As mentioned earlier- a .408"- .423" dia 400gn projectile traveling at 2100-2400 fps the animal is not going to know the difference.

    I am biased being a Win M70 416 Rem owner.
     

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    True story. Being gun cranks, we all like to split hairs (I know I do, or at least that I love thinking on the subject and of the relative merits of each), but in the real world, it's a non-issue.
     
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    The above is to do with caliber. As for make of rifle, yes, some very real differences do exist!
     
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    +1 on CTDolan's above post on splitting hairs - I am definitely guilty of that one.
    Also, I have to confess here and now that, nostalgia plays a major role in what rifles and cartridges I am drawn to.
    It is partly because a lengthy track history speaks volumes to me about whether or not I might want to buy / use a particular one but, partly it is just the history that I find interesting enough to want whatever rifle and / or caliber it is that has caught my attention.
    This is I suppose why some car collectors are drawn primarily to Pre-1970 models or, name your bygone year as the cutoff point in car manufacturing history.

    A good example in my specific "OCD about rifles problem" is the 10.75x68 Mauser.
    It did not enjoy a very happy reputation in history but, I'd love to have one because it was there when Africa was very wild - too bad the bullets for it were too soft back then.
    As long as I didn't try to make shoulder shots on elephants with it, I expect it'd serve me well.
    In fact the 10.75x68 loaded with 347 gr Woodleigh softs seems like it'd be a great rifle for so called "plains game" in areas that have fairly thick foliage, such as The Limpopo District of South Africa that I enjoy so much (especially for tough guys like zebra, waterbuck, etc., and big guys like eland, yet probably not wreck the skin on smaller ones like warthog, bushbok and such).

    Getting back to the original question about the .416 calibers - I like the Rigby because of what I ranted about in the above paragraphs.
    But, the animal being sacked is never going to know if it was the Remington or the Rigby that put him in the salt.
     
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    I was looking at new Win 70's in .416 Rem today and noted that the rifles are made or at least assembled in Portugal!!:eek: Says made in USA on the box, also says assembled in Portugal and on the rifles barrel it says Made in Portugal. o_O Go figure.
     

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    Well, I bought mine a few years back and still have the box. Mine was made in the USA, maybe things have changed sestoppelman.
     

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    I bought mine in May 2011 and it says "Made in USA" on the box too.

    I have never, to this day, bought a brand new rifle, ready to go, straight out of the box!
    The finish and fitting on the Model 70 Safari Express is superb. From brand new( my 416 rem) you could load a round with the projectile seated in backwards, put it in the magazine, close the bolt. and it would chamber!
     

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