.375 H&H, .416 Rem Mag, .458 Lott or .470 NE?

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  1. Ed Lally

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    All of life is a compromise. I have learned that trying to cover all the bases results in none being properly covered. If I am hunting Cape Bufallo with my .470NE and I see a wonderful Kudu on a far ridge, I will count myself blessed for the encounter and count the Kudu blessed that I am not hunting Kudu with my .300 Why. I don't have to kill every trophy I see to have been blessed by the experience of hunting these animals. There are many 18 and 20 point moose still walking the woods and bogs of northern Newfoundland that were not shot just because of this belief. Some of my most memorable hunts, calling bulls in to distances of 4 yards, seeing two caribou fight for half an hour, watching my kids and grandkids are kids take their first deer, moose it pheasant did not involve any killing on my part. The trip is the destination. The exoerexper is the sum. The kill is anti climatic. Enjoy every moment because your days are numbered .
     
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  2. Ridgewalker

    Ridgewalker AH ENABLER LIFETIME BRONZE BENEFACTOR AH Legend

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    I have to put my $.02 worth in. I cannot afford all the fine guns (oh I’m envious!), so I settled on one...375 H&H. It has worked well for me from duiker to Cape buffalo. Plenty accurate for a 90 yard shot on croc as well. I am quite comfortable with it. It will go with me this year for lion. So much for my crying about only one gun:cry:!
    To the point, one appropriate bullet from an adequate cartridge will handle anything, but having caliber options is grand!
    Enjoy your new toys! I’m just jealous!
     
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  3. CAustin

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    I actually have one of each of the calibers you mention. Frankly, I find the 375 H&H to be a fine all purpose caliber. I’ve taken a Springbuck, the smallest trophy, White Blesbock, Golden Wildebeest and a hippo with it in a single shot rifle no less. My 458 Lott was used as a backup rifle on an elephant hunt. My 416 was actually used to take an elephant among other things and the 470 NE express has yet to see action but suspect it will down a buff, elephant and hippo in the future. For me it’s been about choices and the combined learnings as I have journeyed to Africa now several times. If I had it to do all over again I would have purchased the 375 and 470 to begin with.
     
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  4. Opposite Pole

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    Don’t even get me started on the handguns... IMG_1809.JPG
     

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    Red Leg AH ENABLER LIFETIME BRONZE BENEFACTOR AH Legend

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    Hmmmm. I own three .270's (finest deer round ever created) and two 7x57's (ok one is technically a .275). I don't see even one of either on your list! And how can you abide a .308 without a 30-06?
     

  6. Ed Lally

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    My first rifle was a Winchester Model 88, an interesting lever action with a rotating bolt in .308. Several, deer moose and a black bear later a I purchased a .300 Why. No room for a .30-06 but I did buy a nice Browning Stainless Stalker in .30-06 for my 105# daughter. Cut the stock to fit and added a muzzle brake. She can shoot it all day long .
     
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  7. Ed Lally

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    PS. My 7x64 Steyr Mannlicher Professional with synthetic stock, factory set trigger and original Zeiss scope is listed. Quality not quantity in ALL things. Especially women.
     

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    Thanks for buying that 470! I had is on my list but really don't need it.
    Please let us all know how it shoots!
     

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    Soooooo very true! I am so infected and have been. Planning safari number 7 even now.
     
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  10. Ed Lally

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    I was a bit nervous about purchasing such an expensive firearm online. I was relieved to read on the DOUBLE RIFLE forum that the seller is held in such high regard. I know little about Krieghoff double rifles except what I have read, which is significant, however, except for shotguns, I have never seen or held a DR. I know that I like the cocking safety as it is identical in function to that on my Blasers. I also know that a .470 is more than adequate for anything I could ever hunt. Beyond that, any additional information or opinion is more than welcome. Thanks in advance.
     

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    Beautiful wood on the .470. Almost too purdy to take out into the bush.
     

  12. Red Leg

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    You have a beautiful double by a first class gunmaker. You have justified its use. I simply urge you to take the time and expense to become totally and completely competent with it before using it on dangerous game. As a client, we have one overriding responsibility - put that first bullet EXACTLY where it needs to go. Do that and no one gets hurt - screw it up - hurt a tracker or PH - and we as clients have something with which to struggle the rest of our lives. I have killed buff with a double - a scoped S2 Blaser. The others were killed with a scoped R8 or ‘98 custom. They shoot MOA as far as I am comfortable. I was a professional soldier with scads of open sight experience over three decades. I have used double shotguns for at least that long. I will likely take a tradional English .470 for the first time on my next hunt. I simply urge you be very, very competent with that rifle if you decide to use it on a first buffalo or elephant.
     

  13. vette447

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    Looks like you did extremely well on that 470. It is a beautiful rifle with lots of upgrades and it sounds like you got it for a great price. Congrats on the purchase and welcome to the forum.

    For your “in between” rifle question; I like 416 Rigby (Rem mag is good too if preferred) or 375 H&H. Best of luck!
     

  14. Ed Lally

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    Red Leg, Thank you for your sage advise.

    When I examined the first squirrel I shot with my friends .22 hollow point over 6 decades ago, my first thought was "GOD, don't let me shoot anything I don't want to kill." My second was "GOD, don't let me ever get shot." I have many "favorite guns" but my favorite of all is my Blaser R-8. I find the safety/cocking mechanism to be instinctive and provides the highest degree of safety of any firearm I am aware of. I am an engineer and after study, I chose a Krieghoff because of its fine construction and the fact that its safety/cocking mechanism functions in the same manner as that of my Blaser. I cannot imagine a brush with a branch or other object pushing either of these firearms off safe, however it is always the "unloaded" or "safe" firearm that kills, therefore I strive to always be aware of the attitude of my muzzle. Regarding competence, I have purchased 80 rounds of Nosler Safari ammo, spare brass, and I am about to order a few boxes of Barnes Solid and TSX bullets, dies and powder. All of this is expensive, however, it is cheap by comparison to the cost of my last two or next two safaris. On the last two, my total of 13 animals was harvested with 14 shots. As stated in many of these forums, bullet placement is of paramount importance and the only wan it achieve proper bullet placement is to be extremely familiar and therefore competent with ones firearm of choice. This I pledge to become.
     

  15. Ed Lally

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    Vett447, good advice as well, but how to decide? .375 or .416?? .416 or .375?? I searched many forums on AH and came up with the most reasonable answer. A standard weight .375 H&H barrel for my R8 Professional and a Selous Safari weight .416 Remington Mag barrel for my newly purchased Blaser R8 Big Bore Stock with steel receiver and a Kickstop in the butt stock. I just won a Leupold 1-5X24 VX5HD Firedot scope on Gunbroker and had an extra Blaser mount but it had 1" rings. I found a set of new 30mm low rings on line at a discount from optics-trade.eu so I am all set for my "in between" Rifles. Thanks for the GREAT advice. Blessings. ED
     
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    When ordering Blaser barrels you have a choice of standard or hiviz sights. In my opinion standard ones are crap and the hiviz excellent. I started with standard ones and upgraded afterwards, any new barrel I’ll buy will come with the hiviz ones from the start.
     
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    Of course. How could you think otherwise????
     
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  18. Ed Lally

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    Thanks Opposite Pole, I was unaware of that opinion. Till surely order HIVIZ
     

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