.300 Holland & Holland Mag

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  1. sambarhunter

    sambarhunter AH Fanatic

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    After purchasing a 300 H+H I thought that there may be a few members that would care to share their loads for 180 gr`s but more so the 200 grain and 250 grain pills.
    I do have four other 30 cal magnums but this is a bit different...oh and a classic!
     

  2. Desperatezulu

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    Us South Africans only have Somchem (local SA powder) loads, so not sure that would be useful in the slightest. What bullets do you plan to use?
     

  3. sheephunterab

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    I've gone the other way and I'm shooting 165-grain mono metals out of mine. Much higher velocity, very pleasant recoil and still plenty of bullet for the biggest of critters. I'm shooting a GMX. It does everything the 300WM does but is way cooler!
     
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  4. sambarhunter

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    Yes the "coolness" thats important to a lot of people,I mean that.

    Pills? Woodleigh Hydros,Noslers,I like Norma stuff and whatever looks good on the counter at the time I suppose.
    I`m not into BR at all or LR either,just plain old walk up close hunting with a decent all round pill with a few little bit longer shots.....getting closer makes ordinary bullets so much better.!

    I have used a 7mm RM for over 30 years and while the diet has included all sorts the go to bullet is Win factory 150Gr PP and they do the job 99.9% of the time.
     
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  5. sheephunterab

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    Actually getting close makes mono metals so much better. They aren't a great long-range choice. High velocity impacts are their friend!
     
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  6. sambarhunter

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    Getting closer is the answer to many things,one is the unbeatable experience and excitement of the stalk in getting to ground zero and also it is a real cure for those that think they can shoot but in reality cannot.
    Closeness puts those wobbly wandering sights in a far tighter circle.
     

  7. Velo Dog

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    Hello sambarhunter,

    I applaud you for preferring to stalk close-in on game, before taking a shot.
    Almost anyone can soon learn long range shooting technique but, stalking wary animals at close range is definitely not easy to learn.

    "Long range shooting is a skill but, close range stalking is an art".

    In my grumpy old man opinion, the .300 H&H is still the very best of all the dreaded .300 Magnums.
    Shoots plenty flat, yet burns less powder than most (if not less than all of the most popular ones, yesterday and today).
    Therefore, it kicks less, plus the gradually sloping shoulder results in very slick chambering and un-chambering of cartridges.
    Due to this gradual sloping profile, even just fired empties in a very hot barrel / chamber still seem to want to jump out as the breech is opened.
    If that's not enough, at least in my personal experiences, the original H&H version seems to be extremely accurate, no matter what bullet weight you feed it, even in cheaply made rifles.

    One example is the old mass produced and still not expensive today, (if you can find one) Remington Model 721 hunting rifle, from about the 1950's.
    I've had two of these, (as well as other brands / models of rifles in this caliber) and, none were finicky about bullet brands, bullet weights, bullet shapes, etc., they shot more like target rifles than hunting rifles.

    The first time I hunted in Africa (south-central Namibia), I brought a custom '98 Mauser, with 4x Zeiss scope and 180 grain Nosler Partition at just over 2800 feet per second.
    I would merrily choose this combination again, for hunting similar open geography and similar animals (steenbok through zebra).

    All that being said, you have mentioned bullets of 200 through 250 grain.
    I have no experience with 250 grainers in this cartridge but, I am curious to learn from others how they perform on game.
    Anyway, it seems to me that a .300 H&H, loaded with 200 grain Swift A-Frames would be perhaps about as close to the "be-all and do-all" hunting cartridge, for International Hunting, especially including African antelopes / swine / cats as one could ask for, long range shots, close range shots and everything in between shots.
    Likewise, the good old Nosler Partition in 200 grain in your .300 H&H would be a fairly good choice, for all the above situations / species.

    My wife has a Law Degree and suggests that I not post all the specific details of my pet hand loads on the internet.
    Therefore, I will simply say that, for my aforementioned first safari, I used Dupont IMR 4350 Powder, under Nosler 180 grain Partitions and according to my Hornady Reloading Manual, I was getting just a tic over 2800 fps, from my 25" barrel - somewhat mild load for this cartridge / bullet weight.
    And, all critters I shot with it ended up in the salt, from a running steenbok, at about 40 paces, through a standing gemsbok, facing me at a little over 400 meters, according to the PH's range finder.

    It seems like I may have also shot a standing springbok, at a bit over 400 as well (?) but, my 63 year old memory is aging faster than my physical being is so, one of my 5 springbok may "only" have been a bit under 400 - LOL.
    Suffice it to say that I do not believe any of the critters I shot, whether at longer ranges or not so long, would have been any easier to hit with today's ultra-super galactic .30 magnums than they were with the good old .300 H&H.
    Certainly they would not have been any "deader" or deeper into the salt, etc., by the time cocktail hour arrived each evening, than they were from the H&H version.

    The point of my rambling rant here (finally !) is that, you have a very fine / versatile caliber there and you probably could easily develop a safe chamber pressure, 200 grain A-Frame or Partition load, leaving the muzzle around 2700 fps, that will be scary accurate and quite effective on the majority of game species world-wide, at all reasonable hunting distances.

    Cheers,
    Velo Dog.
     
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  8. sambarhunter

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    Thank you VD,for the applause ha ha and also your full reply.
    I do agree that its as good as or better with heavier pills than most of the modern 30`s.I have a .308 Norma mag that holds its own as another "lost soul" as well.
    The H+H is from memory around 80 years old now and as above still does the job.

    I will of course get closer!
     
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  9. larry4831

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    I love the 300 H&Hmagnum
     
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    I've always wanted a 300 H&H. I like 30 cal magnums anyway.
     
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  11. James Cook

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    intrigued by this classic caliber and recently purchased it in a browning xbolt at a very reasonable price. delivery is this friday. i suspect after taking it to the range a few times, it will make the next trip to africa for a pg hunt.
     
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  12. sambarhunter

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    Would be good if you can share your loads and ideas James,thanks.
     

  13. James Cook

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    Not reloading yet, but probably soon
     

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    I have 2 300 H&H's. Rem. 721 and Rem 700. Both excellent. Loaded with 180gr. Nosler Part. and IMR 4831 powder. Went with on my 1st SA trip. Shot Kudu, Gemsbok, Impala, Black Wildebeast, Springbok, Bushbuck. All were 1 shot except the Wildebeast X2. Has also taken most of the North American animals numerous times.
     
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    I love Hornady's parallel-sided 220-gr RN InterLock, and I occasionally use it with 65-gr of IMR 7828 for about 2,400 f/s. Not too much recoil, accurate as hell, will kill anything in North America and most African critters short of the big heavies.
     
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    300 H&H in Browning Medallion w/ Vortex on top

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    I went the opposite way that most of you have gone with the 300H&H.

    With modern bullets and better powders, I actually gravitated toward lighter bullets in this caliber.

    I used to load the 200gr A-Frame to 2,805FPS (which is smoking hot). At 300 yards, it hits with 2,146 lb of energy.
    I now load the 168gr TTSX to 3,130 (with no signs of pressure). At 300 yards, it hits with 2,167 Lb of energy and is traveling over 200fps faster than the 200gr A-Frame.

    So, with the 168gr TTSX, I get a round that hits harder, shoots flatter, retains 98-100% weight, and recoils less than the 200 gr A-Frame.

    The beauty of the 168gr TTSX, is I can use the same hunting bullets for my 308, 30-06, and 300 H&H. This way, I only need to stock one 30 caliber bullet to handle everything.

    Just a thought.
     
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    I have both the 308N & 300H&H in Browning FN Safaris , I used Norma data on both with 180 g A-Frames. They both trip along just under 3000f/s and under moa. I have drop caribou at 300+ with both. I might give the edge to the H&H on feed though just because of its nice taper. But you cant go wrong with either. IMHO.
    cheers
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    p.s. Mr Cook you bench is way more organized than mine :)
    and a beautiful rifle you have there.
     
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    I am using 70 grains reloader 22 with 180 grain Barnes tsx a tad over 3000 fps. This is a great load through my pre 64 model 70 with 26" barrel. Most published data shows 71 grains max, I show no signs of over pressure at 70 but do as any manual suggest is to start low and work up.
     
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    Try Nosler's 220 grain Partition. Guaranteed you'll love it even more.
     
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