2019 Terminal Arrow Performance Update

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  1. Limcroma Safaris

    Limcroma Safaris SPONSOR Since 2014 AH Fanatic

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    I have included the link to the latest updated information on arrow & broadhead performance based on the last decade of ongoing study collected by Dr. Ed Ashby. Dr. Ashby's work has been controversial and challenged by some over the years. Not so surprisingly, most of that controversy has been generated from manufacturers whose products do not emulate the characteristics that quantify the best performance features of arrow and broadhead builds according to Dr. Ashby's findings... The bottom line is that the physics behind the results don't lie...

    We have been preaching the remarkable results of using heavy f.o.c. arrow builds and heavy duty, fixed blade broadheads for many years to our hunters. According to our own experiences, there is no denying that heavier arrows with fixed blade broadheads consistently out-penetrate lighter arrows or those with expandable blades. This has proven true for both plainsgame and larger dangerous game species. Regardless of whether you are a whitetail hunter, or planning a hunt for any of the Big 5, I am certain every bow hunter can take away something useful and valuable from this information.


    https://dangercloseoutdoors.com/12-factors
     

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    Thanks for the link. I am very interested in the factors of why #60-70 bows had significantly more pass through than heavier bows. Will look forward to more studies and data.
     
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  3. kathy

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    Thank you sir, EFOC & small diameter heavy arrow & razor sharp broeahead. Forrest
     
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    Good stuff. Thx for posting!
     
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    I’m shooting 650 grain grizzly stiks. (450 grain momentum arrow and 200 gr broadhead). For elk and deer sized game is there a reason to go heavier? (My draw weight is 67 lbs 29”). For a PG hunt should I be any heavier?
     

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    Exactly.
     

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    NO !!!
     
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    Thank you! @jeff btw: small world, I’ve been hunting in salmon the last couple seasons and will return again this fall.
     

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    Just ordered me a couple GrizzlyStick arrows to try out. Should be 750 grain range going to tip it with iron will buff200 which is their 200 grain solid. Not sure if I'll get a chance at a buff but want to be prepared.
     
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    Two of my archery hunting friends and I all are shooting Grizzly stiks. We did test packs with the 320 and 240 spines. The 240 spine shot better. I really like the change. The increased drop is easy to adjust for. The arrows hold up much better. And they really do shoot through things: we had to change our targets.
     
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    With that weight and your high FOC you are ready for any plains game including eland! Are you elk hunting here in Salmon ?
     

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    My arrow combo was around 500 grains including 150 grain vpa 3 blade broadhead. Got complete pass thru on two oryx and 2 warthogs. Hit my mountain zebra quartering towards me in shoulder and it went thru 4-5 feet of animal sticking 6” out the middle of one hind quarter. I was shooting 65# 29” draw from Halon 32. Your good to go!
     

  13. Tra3

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    Yes. We have been doing the cow elk green fields hunt. This year we will bring bows and mix it up some.
     

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    Great information, Thanks!
     
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    As Jeff emphasized, you should be generating plenty of momentum with that set-up. Provided you are shooting a quality broad head and your bow is in tune, you should be blowing right through most plainsgame animals up to eland sized animals.... Good luck!
     
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    I watch a lot of bow hunting on U tube and it is amazing how many times I see arrows coming out of the bow half sideways and impacting with out ever straightening out because of bow/ arrow combo being extremely out of tune. Penetration is severely compromised even on perfect hits!
     
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  17. Limcroma Safaris

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    Not just YouTube Jeff but TV hunting shows as well..... I would be embarrassed to put those shots on TV. I guess the editors/producers are more interested in filming the kill shot rather than demonstrating proficiency...?

    One of the biggest misconceptions bow hunters have is confusing good shot groups with proper tune... They are not synonymous....
     
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    Tra3...........If you are hunting up by Salmon, Idaho, then I think you should go WAY heavier. Switch to a long bow, say, 115 pounds and up the arrow weight.................( I don't want you killing my bull!)................seriously, you are ready for Yukon moose with that set up.....................FWB
     
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  19. Tra3

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    If only I could pull 115 lbs!! Then I would shoot 1250 grain arrows.
    With all the shoveling we are doing in MN this year, I might get there.
     
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    I'm a big proponent of heavy arrows and high momentum. But... After a very painful arrow ducking experience recently in the Limpopo, I wonder if there is something of a happy medium between 'heavier' arrows and speed/trajectory? I was shooting a 650 grain arrow (212 fps) in the arrow ducking experience (impact way up in no man's land, above the spine), had I been shooting a ~450 grain arrow (~55 fps faster) the arrow would have impacted lower on the animal. Speculatively, perhaps hitting the spine or even lower in the vitals. So, I now wonder if the idea is to shoot the heaviest arrow, possible while maintaining arrow velocity of, at least, 260 fps?
     

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