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________________ Yes I did, when Ellis Brown came to Tech College in Pine City, MN; I enjoyed every second of it. Further, I have kept a periodic email exchange with Ellis, a great guy who works hard as he strives for perfection. Again, read Brown's book; follow what he suggests. It gives a...

I don"t see how to edit a prior post I made, so let me do it this way: On last line of my last post, I said "re-solder hole with iron........" To make it more clear, I should have said "re-solder hole with soldering iron--not with torch; not too much heat that could loosen rib joint."

Regarding the Verney Carron double you mentioned not shooting to decent regulation, I have heard of a few others, not many, same maker, doing same. A guy from Texas had one, I think it was in .450 nitro, that shot similar, and he and Ken B., along with participation from Verney Carron, I think...

Matt, Thanks for clearing up the issue regarding bullet impacting points, etc., when you said "as for my shots being 3" but not being able to tell if they crossed. its simple, the impacts are likely about an inch apart and with these poor sights and my unsteady hands im not able to aim at the...

How can you get 4 shots under 3" at 50 yards; at same time get them so close together that you can't tell if they are crossing or not? Glad to see good results from the 4895 charge I suggested to you. The late Elmer Keith was the first to tell tell me about that load he used; it works just as...

If you pay particularly close attention to those "bad mouthing" Sabatti, the majority of them are from chaps who DON'T own Sabatti doubles, yet they are "experts" about them. Most of the people who do not bad mouth Sabatti DO own them, and like them. Early on, some Sabatti doubles had one or...

Matt, Earlier, you said that Ken Owen was sending you some of the cartridges loaded with R15 that he re-regulated the rifle with, and also some loaded with 3031 too, so I am anxious to know how those shot in your rifle. Also, you didn't mention what kind of bullet impact, spread, you were...

Thanks, Matt for the update. Let us know again, after you get chance to sort out all the issues, when it isn't raining!

"bullets are easy enough to find though, since both Woodleigh and Swift make them. I bought 3 boxes of bullets, one box 400gr Woodleigh SP, one box of 400gr Swift SP, and one box of Swift 350gr SP. the gun is regulated for Hornady factory ammo but I would have to be 100% positive absolutely...

"from my understanding a properly regulated gun should shoot roughly 1 inch apart at any distance with a given load." "this rifle does indeed have ejectors." ________________________ Matt, Your understanding is not accurate. The standard regulation for a big bore is 3 inches apart, but...

"At a certain distance, the bullets can cross paths. Not because of the regulation, but because of the natural spread of each barrel that will make it possible for a bullet from the right barrel hit to the left of the bullet shot from the left barrel. The distance this happens all depends on...

sestoppelman: "Will not the bullets cross paths at some point either before or after the "regulated" point? Or will they, as some have said, continue to be parallel and maintain POI at all ranges regardless the regulation point? I don't see how that's possible." "but I have read from many...

matt85, Here is what I suggest you do, to see if you can get your Sabatti to shoot better groups: Use only one bullet type, with profile same as originally used to regulate rifle, and later used to re-regulate it by Ken Own. Use only one powder type, R15, unless Ken Owen used a different...

Let me respond by commenting within your writing:

Norwegianwoods----"I don't know how hot the factory 450/400 load you refer to is as I know to little about the cartridge, but in general I would avoid hot loads in hot hunting conditions that you very much can experience when hunting African DGs. This is one of the reasons I don't buy much into...

I changed my front sight as it was shooting 10" high to point of impact with the factory front sight. Luckily they are a drew416: "standard NECG post and easily obtainable and smaller diameter Globe. The factory front sight was like looking at a telephone line pole." ________________________...

__________________________________ Interesting. All I can say is that the four Sabatti that I own originally had a stamped steel link that automatically put safety on whenever the top lever was pulled to the right to open gun, so, as I said, I removed those links. Also, every one I have seen...

_____________________________ Yes, I love the .500/.416 too, developed by Krieghoff of Germany for getting the same performance as the great .416 Rigby cartridge, but using a rimmed case, rather than original .416 Rigby case, which is designed more for bolt rifles, (more appropriate for double...

___________________________ Thanks. I have been playing with double rifles since the 1960s; let us hope that I learned something during that time. I am still learning, though, and maintaining a serious passion for all double rirfles sxs, over-under, vintage British, German, modern; have a...

Mine are well regulated, or I wouldn't own them, meaning they consistently shoot within 2" or less at 50 yards and beyond. Since the makers are comparatively small time makers in Italy, and make them all by hand, they seem to be able to do the job right. However, I don't have a large enough...

I would like to respond, by commenting within your posted message:

When you talked on phone with Ken Owen, about his re-regulating Sabatti rifles, I wonder if you asked if he re-regulate any of them that had one or more of their muzzles rifling filed or ground, by first cutting back barrels beyond the muzzle grinding prior to re-regulating them? Aaron Little...

I have a couple of their rifles, and a third one, a hammer double in .30-06 caliber, on Layaway; expecting to get it in another month or two. In addition to their small bore, up through .444 Marlin, .45-70, .30-06, etc., they make a special big bore sxs double rifle in many of the classic big...

Krieghoff, as well as several other modern makers, are now using the manual cocker. I use a variety of different double rifles, modern and vintage; I happen to like the manual cocker; even have it on a nice single shot .30-06 Sabatti that I use for deer hunting in Montana and Oregon. Modern...

Not dangerous at all, unless he gets to you and claws you to death. Some say they are more dangerous than a tiger or lion, because of their blinding speed. Once on you, good luck! Can you say "tear you to threads in a heartbeat?" I knew you could.

I now know about two or three guys who are re-regulating Sabatti double rifles at a very reasonable price. And, if you happen to have a Sabatti with the muzzle rifling ground or filed away, they can be cut back to sound rifling; re-regulated. Send me a PM, and I will tell you how to contact...

A man who bought a Sabatti .450/.400 that had the all too familiar muzzle grinding, and, of course, it didn't regulate at all. He found a man who re-regulated that rifle for him, after he had cut away about one half inch from the muzzles, to rid barrels of the ground rifling at the muzzles, and...

George5x57, I am sending you a PM, so watch for it. Doubleriflejack

Diamondhitch: "Im not sure what formed this opinion but I would guess that less than 5% of moose are killed with bullets heavier than 200gr, and I bet that estimate is high. 30-06 180s and .270 130s are more than enough and if the Indians have taught us anything its that the .303 British is...

For big elk, moose; anything that big or bigger, I suggest you go to at least 270 grain, or better yet, 300 grain. For double rifles, these are the two standard bullet weights .375 mag. doubles are regulated for, some for 270 and some for 300, though some doubles will regulate both equally...

_________________________________ .450 NE is a far better cartridge, FOR DOUBLE RIFLES HUNTING IN INTENSE HEAT OF AFRICA, (as is the .470), compared to the .458 Winchester. The .450 NE, and the .470 will kill elephant and buffalo equally as well as the .458 Winchester IF the shooter does his...

"Saul mentioned the availability of low cost ammo for this 458." Why spend around $40,000 on a rifle, yet be concerned about price of ammo? If you have your heart set on a best quality rifle, buy an English or German double rifle; not an Italian or French one, though they are all great. An...

"]Can't help but look at the common sense of the issue. If you want to pay 39K for a .458 go ahead but I will say this once, I would never do it. Buy a .470 NE or one of the .450 and go hunt with a Heym or something, use the extra money TO DO MORE HUNTING AND SHOOTING. Problem solved. Shot...

________________________________________ Yes, that is true; I agree.

A .470 and a .416 Rigby are not the same, considering trajectory. The .470 uses a heavier bullet, at 500 grains, while the .416 uses one of 400 grain (original version was 410 grain). The .416 bullet is quite a bit smaller in diameter, with more velocity, so it is better for longer range...

_____________________________ By the way, you are talking about a .500/.416 cartridge; not a .416/.500, you have it reversed. This outstanding cartridge was developed by Kreighoff of German, and is shown and discussed on their website--very informative; take a look at it. Again they...

There is NO such thing as overkill, as you soon learn if, when, you find yourself in a sticky situation hunting dangerous game. If I were PH with numerous clients killing elephant, I would, for sure, carry at least a .500; more likely a .577 (I love .577 and have no problem with it, and if...

Red Leg: "I agree with you Saul. I think almost any round can be put in a modern double rifle successfully. I have a Blaser S2 with .416/500 and .375 barrels." ______________________________________ Yes, almost any round can be put in a modern double rifle successfully, but the question is...

Saul, " the .458 Lott is supposedly more powerful than the .450 and .470 NE." Yes, but not needed. After all, dead is dead, and a .450 or .470 will do the job as well as the 458 Lott, with a lot less fuss. A guy carrying the most powerful, showy Weatherby rifle, or similar, is generally a...

__________________________________ Yes, AkMike is correct; this is one of the major things that can and does happen at times with double rifles using non rimmed, flanged, cartridges. Should it happen at a critical time (called Murphey's law), with dangerous game quickly coming for you, that...

I certainly am very familiar with modern firearms metallurgy, and how it compares to metallurgy of Vintage double rifles of the past, including the finest from the British and the Germans. There is no comparison, most all of the vintage double rifles were made using mild, low carbon, steel, and...

Saul, One final remark: The .458 Win or Lott, is not suitable for a double rifle due to more breech pressure than desirable in a double rifle; even worst when used in the extreme heat of Africa. Being cartridges without a rim or flange, also is not good for a double---these cartridges were...

As I mentioned above, " I have no problem with the use of sporting fireams, semi-auto or not," though they certainly are not needed. Using them only shows that you are not much of a real hunter, a real " sports hunter." If your goal is just to kill something, you in no way are a sports hunter...

Savage Hunter Yes, I know. I have no problem with the use of sporting fireams, semi-auto or not, but I do have a problem with, as I mentioned in writing above, and often mentioned too by the late Elmer Keith, needle bullets shot at hyper-velocity. Yes, the BAR (Browning automatic Rifle)...

Plains Game: Weatherby Mark V .300 wby (my personal gun) Wetherby Mark V 30-378 wby HS Precision .338 Lapua Hippo: Weatherby Mark V .378 wby Weatherby Mark V .416 wby Lion, Cape Buffalo, Elephant: Merkel 140A double rifle 375 H&H Perugini & Visini double rifle .458 win/Lot...

Personally, I am against such rifles for sports hunting of any kind. If you are an experienced good skilled hunter, you certainly don't need a semi-automatic rifle, especially one in most modern military calibers. I have shot a good number of deer, big bull elk, moose, in Montana, where I was...

Red Leg: "I too had heard the tales about the Barnes solids, but have found no one that actually observed it. I also have a couple of respected friends who write extensively on vintage doubles and neither believe there was a bullet issue. After all, the "solid" - both lead core (many of which...

To duplicate factory regulation, Doubles should be shot with bullets same as, or with same profile, and especially same weight as was used in the original factory regulation of that given double, and shot at same, or reasonably close to same velocity as shot when rifle was originally regulated...

Thanks again, Cliffy. Ellis Brown, the author of that book you have been re-reading, told me, after viewing some of the double rifle posts on another forum, that he one day may post what he had thought about posting earlier, that his experiences didn't agree with the opinions posted; ask how...

"Thanks for posting information based on first hand knowledge other than emotions. I'm with Cliffy...keep posting brother." Thank you for the kind remarks; I always try to deal with facts; not emotions. Sadly, it has reached the point, on too many of these sort of double rifle forums, where...