Dangerous Game Rifle Caliber for an Enthusiast

I'll echo the majority opinion- 375 HH. If you are on a budget regards the rifle, there is really nothing you'll be hunting that needs more (and to be fair, 375 is legal for everything, so need is a bit of an overstatement). The HH has the length that you'll get used to cycling the bolt for a 458 should you get one some day.

Now if you are just wanting to have fun with a heavy-recoiling rifle and aren't concerned with practical use, get the 458 and some reloading gear and have at it!
 
First of all, hands down a M70 over the River. I think you should start with the .375 H&H. This rifle has almost limitless upgrade potential and the .375 is a great gateway drug.
 
....However, being a young man you could consider buying "one good gun" like the Blaser R8 and keeping it for the rest of your life.
Had to go and stir the pot, didn't you. @Captain Munro just joined today. No need to subject him (or his bank account) to the Blaser R8 at this point. Let him learn the hard way.
 
It takes a few hundred purchases and regrets to get to R8 land.
Absolutely. Spoken like someone who has been down that road. :unsure:
 
Speaking from experience stay well away from the Ruger calibers. The caliber is fine but factory loading are limited and absolutely awful. I wouldn’t take one of the new Ruger DG calibers squirrel hunting with Hornady factory ammo offerings. I own one and hunted lion and Cape buffalo with my 416 Ruger. In hindsight I’d taken anything other than that rifle. If you are a reloader and feel like you can work up a load with one using premium bullets then maybe. Additionally, if you do take it to Africa and the airlines looses your ammo you can forget the Ruger calibers being readily available over there. Buy a 375 H&H. It’s a great DG entry level caliber, you can use it for pretty much anything in North America with appropriate loads. With heavy loads you’ll learn to shoot a big bore properly without taking a pounding and developing a flinch. Then as time goes on you’ll start getting a collection of big bores and love them all.
 
+1 on the .375H&H. (Or maybe about +25 by now.)
what hasn’t been mentioned is a .375 will hold its value well and be very easy to sell (if it ever comes to that). Unlike a lot of items we buy for hunting, rifles are a pretty good investment. But they get lonely in a safe and seem to invite friends, kinda like tequila shots on a Friday night.

Buy very good glass for your rifle and you will use it more.
 
I haveheard of the Brno, but I do not know anything about it really.
The history:
The factory has long history, and it was until recently traditionally builiding mauser 98 type of rifles. The factory is also famous, for one of the first new "wonder nine" pistols CZ 75.
In prewar period, they designed BREN machine gun (stands for Brno - Enfield)
Etc, etc, you got the picture

The quality:
During post war period and during early german ban on gun production, their CZ mauser actions have been imported by some notable best engslish gun makers, to install on their high end products. Most famous is Rigby. This speaks about the quality of actions.

ZKK 602, CZ 550.
My latest acqusition.
So, ZKK 602, magnum action, in the photo attached..

Older models of ZKK 602 were produced with colapsile peep sight, on rear receiever, and two crossbolts.
Newer models, were produced without the receiver sights, and without crossbolts, but with strong steel recoil lug in stock forend.
In the 90ties, 602 is phased out, and started production of CZ550, again magnum size action.

On this photo is the rifle as I bought, 602, 2nd hand, with fixed mounts and large 8x56 fixed power, Swaro scope.
I took it to the gunsmisth, for some minor upgrades, and mounting the other scope.

The lenght of magnum action, medium action, and related aspects:
So, if considering DG caliber, two most common today, are 375 H&H, and 458 win mag.
Those two can fit, in standard long (medium) action, with cartrdidge LOA 3.34 lenght max.

375 is longer than 3.34, acrtually is 3.6 inch LOA, but it can still fit, with smart action adjustement in standard medium action lenght.
In the attachment (black and white photo), there is winchester m70, standard lenght action 30-06, and same win m70 action factory made to take 375 H&H cartridge - see the details and compare.

Similarly, this system, of adjusting the medium action lenght for 375 H&H, most of modern gun factories (if making 375 rifle at all) will take.

Zastava m70, another m98 clone, has similar philosophy, and makes only standard 375 HH and 458 wm, rifles in DG calibers.
Others, such as Ruger, went different route and designed their own, similar cartriddge 375 Ruger, OAL 3.34 inch to fit standard size rifle action, to avoid action lenght problems, and keep medium action in full production

All these things are happening, just to avoid setting up production line for magnum action. Because it is costly, and gun makers are strugling in market competition, and so are cutting the costs.

Apart of design problems, just to fit large fat DG cartridge in the medium lenght action, there is one other "minor" detail, not overly advertised:

Magazine capacity!

In standard medium action, when loading big DG cartridges, there is also reduction of magazine capacity. (no volume) So, DG rifles, such as winchester m70, or zastava m70, will have capacity of magazine reduced to 3 cartridges 375 H&H.

Now, Go back to Brno/CZ rifles - and you will see magazine capacity in their long, widish action of 5 and 6 cartridges.
Brno CZ 602 (mine) for example have 6 rounds capacity, plus for those who wants to play - plus one in chamber.
This is all the benefit of magnum action, that most of modern factories try to avoid at any cost. (in fact, to reduce the costs of production, for additional production line)

The link to short yout tube video, showing 7 shots being fired from ZKK 602, 375 H&H.
(try to find the rifle with that mag capacity today, in flush magazine?)

And then, there is the scope mounting system.
Most of m98 clone modern factory models will be drilled and tapped for scope basis.
But, the Czeck rifles have true double square bridge design of receiver, and dove tail.
So, using this system, the scope basis are better fixed, and alligned, which is (in my view) much better solution when isntalling a scope on DG, rifle, with considerable recoil.

Other details of ZKK rifle.
Safety:
Safety is off, when in rear position. (opposite to most of others models, where safety is off, on fwd position, but this is typical for czeck models)

Barrel:
Not free floated, on standard model.

So, comeing back to my gun.
I took it to gunsmith, and will do some work.
Barrel to be free floated.
Installing German swing mounts (QD) for this scope, of the magnum reinforced type (6 screws on the ring, see photo)
Glass bedding
lightening the trigger.
Changing the safety to standard type, fwd when off.
New Scope mount basis will cover visually the iron sights, so the sights will have to be raised a bit, and zeroed again.
And installing new scope, swaro 1.7-10x42 with iluminated reticle.

Last photo in attachment is of new QD german swing mounts, swaro, and some buffalo ammo, being ready for my rifle.

So, all in all, after longish consideration, I was not able to find better model of magnum 375 H&H rifle for me, and went for ZKK 602, or CZ 550. I found ZKK 602.

The long magnum action, mauser 98, I am not aware that any mass production factory makes today.
And there is limited number of options on m98 MEDIUM actions in new rifles today for 375 and 485.
So, I had to go back to search for 602 or 550. No other choice

The first next step, out of economy-budget line will be newly made mauser 98 magnum, made by Mauser, but... check the price. Its next level of the game. Its high end rifle, by price.

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Mark, sounds like you did just right. But now the proof of the pudding is using it, preferably in Africa.
 
Mark, sounds like you did just right. But now the proof of the pudding is using it, preferably in Africa.
Of course!
Now there are just few minor things to sort out.
Like sorting out my shift - leave plan, with new project starting up, during corona pandemics, in another part of the world!.
If I am retired, I would go now!!!!

Fiedl test of the rifle, will be on roe deer, and european wild boar in the meantime.
 
Win 70 Safari Express in 375H&H. Reasonable cost, excellent action, accurate, ammo available worldwide in a variety of loads, will kill anything that walks the earth. Best bet for anyone, novice or expert, contemplating hunting Africa.
I would say in your budget you might find a Winchester, CZ550 or its Predecessor the Brno 602, they say it's just the better version of CZ550. Old factory vs new factory and some history of takeovers.
The Brno 602 is sought after, some say the Ruger M77 Tang safety was the best Ruger .
I bought a new cz550 .458 on special, later sold it to have same in .375H&H history, versatility, easier feeding etc.

@Red Leg and others have done a ton of stuff. They like their Blasers and rightly so. But like us I bet they started somewhere and were happy to get their first safari rifle.
Things become more affordable in time, you get a promotion or invest wisely waiting your turn and the collection grows.
 
I'll echo the majority opinion- 375 HH. If you are on a budget regards the rifle, there is really nothing you'll be hunting that needs more (and to be fair, 375 is legal for everything, so need is a bit of an overstatement). The HH has the length that you'll get used to cycling the bolt for a 458 should you get one some day.

Now if you are just wanting to have fun with a heavy-recoiling rifle and aren't concerned with practical use, get the 458 and some reloading gear and have at it!
I am kind of in both camps there. If I get to go to Africa someday, the 375 makes a lot of sense for all the reasons listed so far on this thread. The less practical 458 would just be cool to have and shoot on occasion to see what kind of damage it can do.
 
The history:
The factory has long history, and it was until recently traditionally builiding mauser 98 type of rifles. The factory is also famous, for one of the first new "wonder nine" pistols CZ 75.
In prewar period, they designed BREN machine gun (stands for Brno - Enfield)
Etc, etc, you got the picture

The quality:
During post war period and during early german ban on gun production, their CZ mauser actions have been imported by some notable best engslish gun makers, to install on their high end products. Most famous is Rigby. This speaks about the quality of actions.

ZKK 602, CZ 550.
My latest acqusition.
So, ZKK 602, magnum action, in the photo attached..

Older models of ZKK 602 were produced with colapsile peep sight, on rear receiever, and two crossbolts.
Newer models, were produced without the receiver sights, and without crossbolts, but with strong steel recoil lug in stock forend.
In the 90ties, 602 is phased out, and started production of CZ550, again magnum size action.

On this photo is the rifle as I bought, 602, 2nd hand, with fixed mounts and large 8x56 fixed power, Swaro scope.
I took it to the gunsmisth, for some minor upgrades, and mounting the other scope.

The lenght of magnum action, medium action, and related aspects:
So, if considering DG caliber, two most common today, are 375 H&H, and 458 win mag.
Those two can fit, in standard long (medium) action, with cartrdidge LOA 3.34 lenght max.

375 is longer than 3.34, acrtually is 3.6 inch LOA, but it can still fit, with smart action adjustement in standard medium action lenght.
In the attachment (black and white photo), there is winchester m70, standard lenght action 30-06, and same win m70 action factory made to take 375 H&H cartridge - see the details and compare.

Similarly, this system, of adjusting the medium action lenght for 375 H&H, most of modern gun factories (if making 375 rifle at all) will take.

Zastava m70, another m98 clone, has similar philosophy, and makes only standard 375 HH and 458 wm, rifles in DG calibers.
Others, such as Ruger, went different route and designed their own, similar cartriddge 375 Ruger, OAL 3.34 inch to fit standard size rifle action, to avoid action lenght problems, and keep medium action in full production

All these things are happening, just to avoid setting up production line for magnum action. Because it is costly, and gun makers are strugling in market competition, and so are cutting the costs.

Apart of design problems, just to fit large fat DG cartridge in the medium lenght action, there is one other "minor" detail, not overly advertised:

Magazine capacity!

In standard medium action, when loading big DG cartridges, there is also reduction of magazine capacity. (no volume) So, DG rifles, such as winchester m70, or zastava m70, will have capacity of magazine reduced to 3 cartridges 375 H&H.

Now, Go back to Brno/CZ rifles - and you will see magazine capacity in their long, widish action of 5 and 6 cartridges.
Brno CZ 602 (mine) for example have 6 rounds capacity, plus for those who wants to play - plus one in chamber.
This is all the benefit of magnum action, that most of modern factories try to avoid at any cost. (in fact, to reduce the costs of production, for additional production line)

The link to short yout tube video, showing 7 shots being fired from ZKK 602, 375 H&H.
(try to find the rifle with that mag capacity today, in flush magazine?)

And then, there is the scope mounting system.
Most of m98 clone modern factory models will be drilled and tapped for scope basis.
But, the Czeck rifles have true double square bridge design of receiver, and dove tail.
So, using this system, the scope basis are better fixed, and alligned, which is (in my view) much better solution when isntalling a scope on DG, rifle, with considerable recoil.

Other details of ZKK rifle.
Safety:
Safety is off, when in rear position. (opposite to most of others models, where safety is off, on fwd position, but this is typical for czeck models)

Barrel:
Not free floated, on standard model.

So, comeing back to my gun.
I took it to gunsmith, and will do some work.
Barrel to be free floated.
Installing German swing mounts (QD) for this scope, of the magnum reinforced type (6 screws on the ring, see photo)
Glass bedding
lightening the trigger.
Changing the safety to standard type, fwd when off.
New Scope mount basis will cover visually the iron sights, so the sights will have to be raised a bit, and zeroed again.
And installing new scope, swaro 1.7-10x42 with iluminated reticle.

Last photo in attachment is of new QD german swing mounts, swaro, and some buffalo ammo, being ready for my rifle.

So, all in all, after longish consideration, I was not able to find better model of magnum 375 H&H rifle for me, and went for ZKK 602, or CZ 550. I found ZKK 602.

The long magnum action, mauser 98, I am not aware that any mass production factory makes today.
And there is limited number of options on m98 MEDIUM actions in new rifles today for 375 and 485.
So, I had to go back to search for 602 or 550. No other choice

The first next step, out of economy-budget line will be newly made mauser 98 magnum, made by Mauser, but... check the price. Its next level of the game. Its high end rifle, by price.
This made for some good morning reading! Any idea why CZ stopped production of the 550? I went to look at their website a couple weeks ago and saw the news.
 
I would say in your budget you might find a Winchester, CZ550 or its Predecessor the Brno 602, they say it's just the better version of CZ550. Old factory vs new factory and some history of takeovers.
The Brno 602 is sought after, some say the Ruger M77 Tang safety was the best Ruger .
I bought a new cz550 .458 on special, later sold it to have same in .375H&H history, versatility, easier feeding etc.

@Red Leg and others have done a ton of stuff. They like their Blasers and rightly so. But like us I bet they started somewhere and were happy to get their first safari rifle.
Things become more affordable in time, you get a promotion or invest wisely waiting your turn and the collection grows.
I'm investing and doing my best for the promotions haha I've got a pretty good job and am happy to have it these days. I want to get more focused on shooting, but of course when I have the funds to do it...the ammo crisis hits...
 
This made for some good morning reading! Any idea why CZ stopped production of the 550? I went to look at their website a couple weeks ago and saw the news.
CZ550 stopped production because the machinery used to make it was worn out. The cost of replacing/repairing it didn’t offer the ROI compared to the push feed actions they already had in production. The double square bridge action is not cheap to make. For a while CZ supplied Rigby with actions for their much more expensive rifles. Kinda funny.
 
CZ550 stopped production because the machinery used to make it was worn out. The cost of replacing/repairing it didn’t offer the ROI compared to the push feed actions they already had in production. The double square bridge action is not cheap to make. For a while CZ supplied Rigby with actions for their much more expensive rifles. Kinda funny.
Always a shame when something like that happens.
 
Always a shame when something like that happens.
It is a shame, but there are still lots of good used CZ’s out there. Not to mention current production rifles are better than ever. Without igniting the CRF/PF powder keg, keep an open mind when looking. There have been several very nice rifles in the classifieds here that are in your price range.
 

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