Requesting information on traveling through Doha, Qatar

Since my travel agent can't confirm flights over 12 months out, I'll have to wait till mid August-early September before rebooking my flights.

If I can't do May or June, then I'll try for an August 2021 time frame.

Hopefully there will be sort of normalcy in a year. But I agree, I dont think things are going to be as they once were, prior to this Coronavirus.
I am in the same situation. Booked with J.P. Kleinhans for July 2021. Trying to get an idea of cost and what will be available right now is ridiculous. Once they open those flights up, their going to get slammed with rebookings from hunters that got cancelled this year.
 
Here is a bit of an update from my travel agent:

Providing countries start opening their borders and airlines start flying in June, (she) will inform me of available dates as soon as Qatar and Airlink set their flight schedules....for May 2021 dates....335 days prior to my return flight(s).....the earliest (she) expects to have my flight information is in July, perhaps at the end of June.

Can anyone recommend airline from Doha or Johannesburg to Harare?
 
We had booked our first flights on Qatar Air earlier this year before the WuFlu hit. Original booking was for June out of Miami to Gaborone. When the countries closed boarders and flights CNX, Qatar Air gave us a choice to re-book or 100% refund. I waited until 30-days before departure hoping things would be open by then - called and ask for the refund. Got it - no questions asked.

We still had another trip on for Botswana this Aug. Been watching the news in Bots a lot and is looking like the Aug trip might go, so looked on their website and still had flights from Chicago to Gabby listed but with plane change in J'berg (original flts were the semi-nonstop from Doha to Gabby). Called the call center and they confirmed they were accepting booking for Aug and IF things didn't open by then, the same refund policy would apply.

So.... for better or worse, we've got 3x r/t tickets from Chicago to Gabby for mid Aug. The fourth in the group is also booked on Qatar Air from Dallas. He's going a few days early to hunt in RSA and meeting us back in J'berg for the flts into Gabby. He's taken Qatar Air several times and he said it's his preferred way now.

This will be the first flts I've taken on Qatar Air, but used to go through Doha a good bit will on active duty. Last time was about 15 years ago and at that time the terminal was fantastic. Had a friend go through about a year ago and she said it was even better.

According to everything I've read and a few guys I've spoken to, traveling on Qatar Air with firearms is pretty easy. After you get your reservation confirmation number and at LEAST two weeks before your flight, you just email them a copy of your reservation, passport, 4457 and invitation letter. They do code share with American Airlines so IF you use AA to connect you are SUPPOSED to be able to check everything (including firearms) with AA and claim it when you get to your destination. If not using AA to connect, you just have to claim luggage and firearms and schlep it all to the QA counter and recheck it all.

All and all the paperwork is a lot easier than filling out the transit permit for going through Amsterdam and the SAPS 520 for transiting J'berg if flying Delta and having to connect to a final destination via a carrier that doesn't have a baggage handling/code share with Delta.

I'm looking forward to trying it out. Once all the WuFlu stuff gets sorted out, hopefully Qatar Air will get back to their 3x per week flights direct to Windhoek and their 3x per week semi-direct flights to Gaborone.
 
Got side tracked and realized I hadn't provided any info to your questions.

1. Your checked luggage and rifle cases should remain checked all the way through. I don't know current info on storage of carry-ons other than if you book a hotel room inside or outside the terminal. I do know that 15 years ago the answer would be no.

2. Haggling - yes and no. Generally no haggling in the formal shops inside the terminal or a formal shopping mall, UNLESS, you start to walk away the salesperson offers the first "discount". Then haggle away. In the "markets" and street side stalls etc haggling is normal.

3. Was allowed very, very little time off base.

4. Tipping, coffee shops or dinning yes but not required. Normally, I'm a generous tipper, but there a small tip is appreciated but not expected. I'd just leave the coins and/or a couple of riyal.

5. Alcohol in transit is allowed for civilians as long as it was packed in checked luggage. For us military, NO! Was a Courts Martial offense if caught.
 
We had booked our first flights on Qatar Air earlier this year before the WuFlu hit. Original booking was for June out of Miami to Gaborone. When the countries closed boarders and flights CNX, Qatar Air gave us a choice to re-book or 100% refund. I waited until 30-days before departure hoping things would be open by then - called and ask for the refund. Got it - no questions asked.

We still had another trip on for Botswana this Aug. Been watching the news in Bots a lot and is looking like the Aug trip might go, so looked on their website and still had flights from Chicago to Gabby listed but with plane change in J'berg (original flts were the semi-nonstop from Doha to Gabby). Called the call center and they confirmed they were accepting booking for Aug and IF things didn't open by then, the same refund policy would apply.

So.... for better or worse, we've got 3x r/t tickets from Chicago to Gabby for mid Aug. The fourth in the group is also booked on Qatar Air from Dallas. He's going a few days early to hunt in RSA and meeting us back in J'berg for the flts into Gabby. He's taken Qatar Air several times and he said it's his preferred way now.

This will be the first flts I've taken on Qatar Air, but used to go through Doha a good bit will on active duty. Last time was about 15 years ago and at that time the terminal was fantastic. Had a friend go through about a year ago and she said it was even better.

According to everything I've read and a few guys I've spoken to, traveling on Qatar Air with firearms is pretty easy. After you get your reservation confirmation number and at LEAST two weeks before your flight, you just email them a copy of your reservation, passport, 4457 and invitation letter. They do code share with American Airlines so IF you use AA to connect you are SUPPOSED to be able to check everything (including firearms) with AA and claim it when you get to your destination. If not using AA to connect, you just have to claim luggage and firearms and schlep it all to the QA counter and recheck it all.

All and all the paperwork is a lot easier than filling out the transit permit for going through Amsterdam and the SAPS 520 for transiting J'berg if flying Delta and having to connect to a final destination via a carrier that doesn't have a baggage handling/code share with Delta.

I'm looking forward to trying it out. Once all the WuFlu stuff gets sorted out, hopefully Qatar Air will get back to their 3x per week flights direct to Windhoek and their 3x per week semi-direct flights to Gaborone.
I'm looking at QA now instead of Delta. Do you have any additional information on the packing of rifles and ammunition?
 
Wife and I flew last year to Namibia on Qatar. We used a tuff pak. Coats and vests in the bottom of tuff pak. 2 Guns in soft cases in tuff pak. Small pelican case with ammo in other piece of checked luggage. Used TWG. No problems at all. We flew DFW-Doha-Windhoek. Both rifles were listed in my name. Whistle, whistle!!
 
It's just the same international (ICAO) standards.

1. Airline approved locking rifle case. Either metal or heavy gauge plastic.

2. In the US, ammo can be shipped inside the rifle case. For international travel, the ammo MUST BE SHIPPED SEPARATELY from the the rifle case. Ammo case must be lockable and either wood or plastic and the ammo must be stored so that the rounds can not make contact with each other i.e. loose bulk pack. ICAO limits total weight of LOADED ammo to 5 kilos (11 lbs) and is NOT supposed to include the weight of the ammo case - subject to check-in agent interpretation.

3. The rifle case should be locked with NON-TSA openable key or combination padlocks. The rifle case is to ONLY be opened in your presence.

4. Ammo case must use TSA openable key or combo padlocks and the piece of checked luggage must have a TSA openable key or combo lock. You MUST declare to the check-in agent that you have ammo inside your checked luggage and what specific piece.

5. Depending on individual airline, or usually the airline check-in agents "interpretation", the ammo box CAN be put inside a regular checked baggage; However, this also seems to be subject to individual check-in agent interpretation.
Recent case in point. Last June's trip to Botswana. Per the Bots Air website, the locked ammo case COULD be inside the checked luggage. When we checked in, the agent in J'berg told us we had to take it out. On the return flt from Gabby back to J'berg and our Delta connecting flight, we both had the ammo boxes in our respective checked luggage and when we checked in for the flight, we declared as required and the ammo stayed in the checked bags. Go figure?! This same thing happens frequently so just be prepared either way and you'll be fine.

As far as rifle cases, the first couple of trips we made, I had a nice aluminum case. Lasted two trips. I've been using the same Pelican/Storm cases for the past 25+ trips. They are a little banged up but still more than serviceable. If the do get damaged, they've got a lifetime warranty. Same for the ammo cases - storm/pelican. Whatever you do, don't just try a cheap $30 Plano from Wal-Mart. You'll put a nice rifle on the plane and you could end up picking up a banana - no joke, saw it happen to a guy.

What we do is take the factory foam out. Put a layer of clothes in the bottom for padding. Then the rifles in zippered soft cases. The the top layer is a couple of heavy sweaters and medium weight coats. You can also put your knives, flashlights, spare scopes. GPS etc and any other kit inside up to the 23 kilo (50 lbs) weight.

The last thing I put in EVERY piece of checked luggage, rifle case and ammo box is a copy of my passport, airline ticket, 4457s, invitation letter and a copy of the temp import permit if I have it and a SPARE SET OF LOCKS with the same key or combo with a note attached asking that they be used IF the original locks were cut off for some reason. I have had locks cut off my rifle case ONCE for some reason transiting via Europe.

Binos and camera, computer always in our carry-on. DO NOT put a spare scope in your carry-on! It is considered a "firearm component" and is likely to be confiscated.

ALWAYS, print out each airline's baggage and firearm info from their website THE DAY YOU PURCHASE YOUR TICKETS and carry a copy with you. You can use it to maybe convince a check-in agent what the airlines rules are regarding firearms/ammo, BUT don't get into a urinary Olympics with them. Politely acquiesce or your stuff could end up in BF Egypt! And IF you have to pay any extra fees ALWAYS get it on your CC. Then when you get home, simply submit a copy of your ticket, baggage agreement and charge receipt and ask to have the charges taken off.

28yrs in the military, 68 countries and in the past 15 yrs 35+ trips to RSA, Namibia and Botswana.
 
It's just the same international (ICAO) standards.

1. Airline approved locking rifle case. Either metal or heavy gauge plastic.

2. In the US, ammo can be shipped inside the rifle case. For international travel, the ammo MUST BE SHIPPED SEPARATELY from the the rifle case. Ammo case must be lockable and either wood or plastic and the ammo must be stored so that the rounds can not make contact with each other i.e. loose bulk pack. ICAO limits total weight of LOADED ammo to 5 kilos (11 lbs) and is NOT supposed to include the weight of the ammo case - subject to check-in agent interpretation.

3. The rifle case should be locked with NON-TSA openable key or combination padlocks. The rifle case is to ONLY be opened in your presence.

4. Ammo case must use TSA openable key or combo padlocks and the piece of checked luggage must have a TSA openable key or combo lock. You MUST declare to the check-in agent that you have ammo inside your checked luggage and what specific piece.

5. Depending on individual airline, or usually the airline check-in agents "interpretation", the ammo box CAN be put inside a regular checked baggage; However, this also seems to be subject to individual check-in agent interpretation.
Recent case in point. Last June's trip to Botswana. Per the Bots Air website, the locked ammo case COULD be inside the checked luggage. When we checked in, the agent in J'berg told us we had to take it out. On the return flt from Gabby back to J'berg and our Delta connecting flight, we both had the ammo boxes in our respective checked luggage and when we checked in for the flight, we declared as required and the ammo stayed in the checked bags. Go figure?! This same thing happens frequently so just be prepared either way and you'll be fine.

As far as rifle cases, the first couple of trips we made, I had a nice aluminum case. Lasted two trips. I've been using the same Pelican/Storm cases for the past 25+ trips. They are a little banged up but still more than serviceable. If the do get damaged, they've got a lifetime warranty. Same for the ammo cases - storm/pelican. Whatever you do, don't just try a cheap $30 Plano from Wal-Mart. You'll put a nice rifle on the plane and you could end up picking up a banana - no joke, saw it happen to a guy.

What we do is take the factory foam out. Put a layer of clothes in the bottom for padding. Then the rifles in zippered soft cases. The the top layer is a couple of heavy sweaters and medium weight coats. You can also put your knives, flashlights, spare scopes. GPS etc and any other kit inside up to the 23 kilo (50 lbs) weight.

The last thing I put in EVERY piece of checked luggage, rifle case and ammo box is a copy of my passport, airline ticket, 4457s, invitation letter and a copy of the temp import permit if I have it and a SPARE SET OF LOCKS with the same key or combo with a note attached asking that they be used IF the original locks were cut off for some reason. I have had locks cut off my rifle case ONCE for some reason transiting via Europe.

Binos and camera, computer always in our carry-on. DO NOT put a spare scope in your carry-on! It is considered a "firearm component" and is likely to be confiscated.

ALWAYS, print out each airline's baggage and firearm info from their website THE DAY YOU PURCHASE YOUR TICKETS and carry a copy with you. You can use it to maybe convince a check-in agent what the airlines rules are regarding firearms/ammo, BUT don't get into a urinary Olympics with them. Politely acquiesce or your stuff could end up in BF Egypt! And IF you have to pay any extra fees ALWAYS get it on your CC. Then when you get home, simply submit a copy of your ticket, baggage agreement and charge receipt and ask to have the charges taken off.

28yrs in the military, 68 countries and in the past 15 yrs 35+ trips to RSA, Namibia and Botswana.
Best intel yet. I am printing that.
 
I left out one thing. Though not specifically required by ICAO, I remove the bolts and put them in a ballistic nylon padded zippered knife pouch. The pouch goes inside the rifle soft case. It fits very nicely on top of the buttstock, behind the scope. What this does is remove a potential pressure point from the bolt handle sticking up. With the way these cases and luggage in general are handled and stacked on top of each other, it's conceivable that a high pressure point, even in a premium case could flex enough to crack a stock at the wrist.

One more advantage of taking the bolts out, especially if you're transiting JFK and the Port Authority Police do their required "inspection" of the weapons, with the bolts completely out there is no question the weapon is unloaded. Same coming back and clearing US Customs.

Oh, and one more thing. I put the rifles in the soft cases and in the hard case so the serial numbers are facing UP. This way, all we have to do is open two locks, flip the latches, open the lid, the top layer of clothes flip up in to the lid, unzip the rifle cases and "whoever" can see the serial number without having to handle the weapons in any way. When done, zip, flip, latch and lock.

Edited to add: Here's a link where I get the soft zippered cases for the bolts.
https://www.discountcutlery.net/AC180-Carry-All-9-Inch-Black-Cordura-Zip-Pouch_p_74230.html

The 9" in the link will hold bolts up to 308, 30/06, 9.3x62 and 375 Ruger. The have bigger and smaller too, just giving that for size reference/comparison.
 

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Got side tracked and realized I hadn't provided any info to your questions.

1. Your checked luggage and rifle cases should remain checked all the way through. I don't know current info on storage of carry-ons other than if you book a hotel room inside or outside the terminal. I do know that 15 years ago the answer would be no.

2. Haggling - yes and no. Generally no haggling in the formal shops inside the terminal or a formal shopping mall, UNLESS, you start to walk away the salesperson offers the first "discount". Then haggle away. In the "markets" and street side stalls etc haggling is normal.

3. Was allowed very, very little time off base.

4. Tipping, coffee shops or dinning yes but not required. Normally, I'm a generous tipper, but there a small tip is appreciated but not expected. I'd just leave the coins and/or a couple of riyal.

5. Alcohol in transit is allowed for civilians as long as it was packed in checked luggage. For us military, NO! Was a Courts Martial offense if caught.


M McDindi,

Thanks for the info. Your response is what I am looking for.
I looked for the customs and courtesies for Doha and only found general information on Doha's location and men's and women's dress code.
 
This sounds interesting. What are the US originating airport options for Qatar?
For me it would be DFW but there are many.
 
With so many things in flux, it's probably best to call Qatar Air's call center - 877-777-2827 or you can email them at: support@qatarairways.com. Don't expect a fast email response. You will get an auto-response your email was received, but may be a day or two before they respond.

That is also the email address you send your documents to obtain your Qatar firearm transit permit.
 
Anybody here had the JNB-DFW route recently? It shows a layover of only 1 hr 40 min in Doha.

Seems a bit on the snug side of things but doable. I am looking at this route coming back and needing to make a decision.
 
CPR - I was looking at a similar tight connection when I just booked. Discussed it with one of the guys going with us in Aug and he said he had done it WITHOUT firearms and he said he made but just barely.

He's made the Doha route several times with firearms too and said he'd NEVER try that short connection with them.
 
CPR - I was looking at a similar tight connection when I just booked. Discussed it with one of the guys going with us in Aug and he said he had done it WITHOUT firearms and he said he made but just barely.

He's made the Doha route several times with firearms too and said he'd NEVER try that short connection with them.

Thanks for the info! I will not be taking a rifle with me this time, but that tight of a connection still worrisome.
 
With so many things in flux, it's probably best to call Qatar Air's call center - 877-777-2827 or you can email them at: support@qatarairways.com. Don't expect a fast email response. You will get an auto-response your email was received, but may be a day or two before they respond.

That is also the email address you send your documents to obtain your Qatar firearm transit permit.


Thanks for the info.
I have a bit of info on what to send Qatar for requesting the transporting of my weapons. But no one from Qatar has returned any of my emails or phone calls requesting Qatar's preapproval weapons form(s) and as to where to send the weapons request too.
 
RR - I had multiple phone calls and emails with Qatar Air last year before the WuFlu. Each time I received the same info. There is no form to fill out. After you book your flt and get your confirmation number, at LEAST two weeks BEFORE your departure you just email them, at the email address I posted above:
1 - a copy of your e-ticket reservation
2 - a copy of your passport
3 - a copy of your firearm license/permit (for US travelers that means a copy of your 4457).
4 - a copy of the Invitation/Motivation letter from your PH/Outfitter

You SHOULD get an auto-response email back with a "ticket number" included in the subject line pretty quickly. All it means is they have received your email NOT that you have your transit permit. They seem to hold that until a few days before your departure. It might be a good idea to reply back to that auto-response email after a week or 10-days if you haven't heard from the.

I also actually talked to a Qatar Air Supervisor in Windhoek last year to confirm all the above. What he explained is that "technically" you can just present the same documents when you check originally check in on your QA flt. and the ticket agent will make copies and forward to Doha, BUT, there is NO guarantee your permit will be processed before your arrival there and that is why they want the docs emailed to the support center in Doha ahead of time. You WILL still need to present the same documents to the ticket agent when you check-in.

One last note, American Airlines does have a code share and baggage handling agreement with QA and if you use AA to the QA hub airport, you "should" be able to check your luggage/firearms all the way through. I've confirmed this with QA and also several guys who've flown QA several times. For me personally and all the air travel I've done....I think I'd prefer to just use any airline to get to the QA hub airport, claim everything and just schlep it to the QA desk personally. A LOT of times, the computers that are supposed to link the airlines and baggage together don't sync and bags don't make connections.

The last pieces of general advice are:

1 - When you get your baggage claim stubs at check-in, take a pen and mark which one is regular luggage, the rifle case and ammo case (if it has to be checked separately). This is because firearms/ammo has to be handled/secured separately and differently than regular baggage so, IF they need to be "found" it will be easier to locate them if the agents have an idea where to start looking.

2 - EVERY TIME we make a connecting flt and ESPECIALLY transiting an international hub and or changing carriers, get to your next gate a bit early and as soon as the agents get there and if/when they are double checking passports, show them your claim stubs and ask them to confirm your luggage and rifle/ammo cases are on the MANIFEST for the flt. They normally don't load firearms/ammo until the last minute after you're checked in.

All that above is still no guarantee your stuff will come off the belts on "the other side", but it will increase the likelihood.
 
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RR - I had multiple phone calls and emails with Qatar Air last year before the WuFlu. Each time I received the same info. There is no form to fill out. After you book your flt and get your confirmation number, at LEAST two weeks BEFORE your departure you just email them, at the email address I posted above:
1 - a copy of your e-ticket reservation
2 - a copy of your passport
3 - a copy of your firearm license/permit (for US travelers that means a copy of your 4457).
4 - a copy of the Invitation/Motivation letter from your PH/Outfitter

You SHOULD get an auto-response email back with a "ticket number" included in the subject line pretty quickly. All it means is they have received your email NOT that you have your transit permit. They seem to hold that until a few days before your departure. It might be a good idea to reply back to that auto-response email after a week or 10-days if you haven't heard from the.

I also actually talked to a Qatar Air Supervisor in Windhoek last year to confirm all the above. What he explained is that "technically" you can just present the same documents when you check originally check in on your QA flt. and the ticket agent will make copies and forward to Doha, BUT, there is NO guarantee your permit will be processed before your arrival there and that is why they want the docs emailed to the support center in Doha ahead of time. You WILL still need to present the same documents to the ticket agent when you check-in.

One last note, American Airlines does have a code share and baggage handling agreement with QA and if you use AA to the QA hub airport, you "should" be able to check your luggage/firearms all the way through. I've confirmed this with QA and also several guys who've flown QA several times. For me personally and all the air travel I've done....I think I'd prefer to just use any airline to get to the QA hub airport, claim everything and just schlep it to the QA desk personally. A LOT of times, the computers that are supposed to link the airlines and baggage together don't sync and bags don't make connections.

The last pieces of general advice are:

1 - When you get your baggage claim stubs at check-in, take a pen and mark which one is regular luggage, the rifle case and ammo case (if it has to be checked separately). This is because firearms/ammo has to be handled/secured separately and differently than regular baggage so, IF they need to be "found" it will be easier to locate them if the agents have an idea where to start looking.

2 - EVERY TIME we make a connecting flt and ESPECIALLY transiting an international hub and or changing carriers, get to your next gate a bit early and as soon as the agents get there and if/when they are double checking passports, show them your claim stubs and ask them to confirm your luggage and rifle/ammo cases are on the MANIFEST for the flt. They normally don't load firearms/ammo until the last minute after you're checked in.

All that above is still no guarantee your stuff will come off the belts on "the other side", but it will increase the likelihood.

Thanks for the info.
I'll be flying QA from Dulles, out of DC through Doha to Johannesburg. Until flights resume I dont know the airline I'll be flying on to Zimbabwe. From Zimbabwe to Johannesburg. Then Johannesburg to East London on Airlink.
 
Can someone who has flown through DOHA to JNB recently on QATAR tell me what steps I will have to go through after landing in DOHA with firearms (hunting rifles)? I want to make certain I have enough time to catch my flight to JNB.
 
Can someone who has flown through DOHA to JNB recently on QATAR tell me what steps I will have to go through after landing in DOHA with firearms (hunting rifles)? I want to make certain I have enough time to catch my flight to JNB.

You really don’t have to do anything in Doha. When we flew thru in 2019 your luggage is checked all the way thru to destination. I would suggest you download the Qatar app so you can follow ur luggage online. I asked the agent at the gate to make sure my guns made the plane. They are very diligent about making sure your firearms are on the plane
 

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