Beautiful 16 Gauge Over 8x60 Drilling For Sale At KTP

Albert GRANT · Mar 7, 2020

For anyone that may be interested this is for sale at Kittery trading Post in Maine. Happened to see it today and thought I'd pass it along so someone might get a deal. They are asking $2000

Albert GRANT · Mar 7, 2020

http://www.kitterytradingpost.com/n...2.html?cgid=0#q=drilling&lang=default&start=1

ActionBob · Mar 7, 2020

Beautiful.

contender85 · Mar 7, 2020

That's nice, they always have some neat stuff in stock, great place to visit, if you're ever up that way it's definitely worth a stop.

rookhawk · Mar 8, 2020

Cracked at wrist. Obscure cartridge. Value: $900

rookhawk · Mar 8, 2020

8x60 proofs can be many cartridges. Chamber cast will be key to determination.

Albert GRANT · Mar 8, 2020

rookhawk said:
8x60 proofs can be many cartridges. Chamber cast will be key to determination.

No crack in the wrist, just the horn trigger guard, but still appreciate your input on it, makes me feel a lot better about not getting it. Obscure cartridge or not, it is a beautiful piece. I was hoping you would chime in though, so I could get a better idea of what to look for and the possible value of them, since I now have a strong interest in them!

Albert GRANT · Mar 8, 2020

@rookhawk what are your thoughts on this one- 12ga. over 9.3x72 supposed to be a 1925 build-

rookhawk · Mar 8, 2020

Albert GRANT said:
No crack in the wrist, just the horn trigger guard, but still appreciate your input on it, makes me feel a lot better about not getting it. Obscure cartridge or not, it is a beautiful piece. I was hoping you would chime in though, so I could get a better idea of what to look for and the possible value of them, since I now have a strong interest in them!

that second plug in the wrist isn’t for the greener side safety, it’s a pin at wrist as far as I can tell.

rookhawk · Mar 8, 2020

Albert GRANT said:
@rookhawk what are your thoughts on this one- 12ga. over 9.3x72 supposed to be a 1925 build-View attachment 334400 View attachment 334401 View attachment 334402 View attachment 334403 View attachment 334404 View attachment 334405 View attachment 334406 View attachment 334407 View attachment 334408 View attachment 334409 View attachment 334410

Nice gun. Some restoration but a 9.3x72r is a usable caliber and factory ammo exists. 12 bores tend to be overweight so they trade for less.

the most valuable scenario would be a 7x57r, 8x57jr, or a 9.3x72r rifle with 2-3/4” 16 gauge or 20 gauge barrels of 27” or greater length weighing under 7.5lbs. Ideally with a good scope of without existing mounts and no scope.

Albert GRANT · Mar 8, 2020

rookhawk said:
that second plug in the wrist isn’t for the greener side safety, it’s a pin at wrist as far as I can tell.

Wish I had gotten more pics of it, the safety on the first one is on the tang, not the side. It looks like there are accent plugs in the stock on both sides- kind of half circle/triangle deal and then a smaller round one behind it, they are a totally different wood and seem to be original for looks. I could be wrong and maybe it was to fix a crack, I'm not sure. Certainly not an expect on them and would defer to your opinion for sure

Albert GRANT · Mar 8, 2020

rookhawk said:
Nice gun. Some restoration but a 9.3x72r is a usable caliber and factory ammo exists. 12 bores tend to be overweight so they trade for less.

the most valuable scenario would be a 7x57r, 8x57jr, or a 9.3x72r rifle with 2-3/4” 16 gauge or 20 gauge barrels of 27” or greater length weighing under 7.5lbs. Ideally with a good scope of without existing mounts and no scope.

What would you put as a value on this one? I didn't get to look at it personally, but it still helps to give an idea of what to look for

Red Leg · Mar 8, 2020

Albert GRANT said:
Wish I had gotten more pics of it, the safety on the first one is on the tang, not the side. It looks like there are accent plugs in the stock on both sides- kind of half circle/triangle deal and then a smaller round one behind it, they are a totally different wood and seem to be original for looks. I could be wrong and maybe it was to fix a crack, I'm not sure. Certainly not an expect on them and would defer to your opinion for sure

I am with @rookhawk. That second plug is a stock repair. The wrist was cracked and repaired with a through bolt. No drilling ever left a gunmaker’s bench with a round accent inlay in that form in that location (if for no other reason, everyone would assume it was a repair).

The buggered floor plate screw would worry me on the second. It means some clueless owner mucked around inside after restoration. Perhaps all is well, but then again ....... It would certainly be a bargaining point.

Albert GRANT · Mar 8, 2020

Red Leg said:
I am with @rookhawk. That second plug is a stock repair. The wrist was cracked and repaired with a through bolt. No drilling ever left a gunmaker’s bench with a round accent inlay in that form in that location (if for no other reason, everyone would assume it was a repair).

The buggered floor plate screw would worry me on the second. It means some clueless owner mucked around inside after restoration. Perhaps all is well, but then again ....... It would certainly be a bargaining point.

I thank you and @rookhawk both for your input. I was (obviously, lol) taken with the workmanship and had no idea of the issues, thank you for pointing it out so other members don't make a possible mistake thanks to me posting it up! oddly it was only the cracked horn trigger guard that made me step back, and that was only because it would have bugged me and it's not easily replaced. Not that I would have actually bought it right now, due to money limitations, but I might have made a similar mistake in the future when ready to pick one up.

rookhawk · Mar 8, 2020

Albert GRANT said:
What would you put as a value on this one? I didn't get to look at it personally, but it still helps to give an idea of what to look for

just a stab here, I’d say $1600-$2400.

remember, amazing, fantastic drilling’s and mediocre drilling’s cost nearly the same money.

the best drilling I’ve had was an 8x57jr x 16 x 16. It had 27” barrels, not the typical 24” that handles poorly. It was under 7lbs, so it was lively like a shotgun should be. It didn’t have claw mounts on it. It also had a mod and full choke and shot brenneke slugs very well, so it was a do-all gun. Prolific engraving and all the trimmings, plus fitted case and accessories. I think I sold it for $3400-$3800?

just giving you perspective and why one is better than another.

9lb 12 gauge is bad. 2.5” chambers is not great since slugs are hard to come by. Odd caliber is bad. Shorter than 26” barrels is bad. Short stocks are bad. Low combs are bad. Cracked wrists are bad.

a 20 gauge 2-3/4” krieghoff Neptune with a 7x57r rifle barrel, 7lbs or less, 27” barrels, choked mod/full, modern scope in claw mounts would probably be the very best configuration money could buy.

Red Leg · Mar 8, 2020

Just looked at the second on a larger screen. That is a replacement buttstock. The fit isn’t very good at the action and I have never seen a drilling with an original straight English style stock. Ever. That white line pad provably arrived at the same time. Frankly, I would likely value the first, even with the repair, more than the second. But neither would be a gun that I would buy.

As you can see there is far more art to buying these things than science.

steve white · Mar 8, 2020

proofed in Ferlach Austria, checkering still proud, several to order characteristics--the straight grip, the rose and scroll. Case colors still vivid. I am not a fan of 9.3x72, but have owned them and at least they do not kick. It should be chamber cast since there is much variation in 9-9.3 by 72 bore diameter.

rookhawk · Mar 9, 2020

I'm going to go on a limb here with the drilling above and make an odd claim. I think it has had its case coloring re-done and that is probably why the bottom receiver screw is also buggered. How can I say that? Disproportional wear. Note the clear restock of the gun as @Red Leg noted. Then look at the forend. Someone recheckered the forend all the way to the forend metal (borderless...sloppy redo). Then look at the pitting and wear on the deeley latch of the forend compared to the condition of the tang safety and top lever...these parts should always equally wear but one is in disrepair and the other two are not.

These are the things that become tricky and perilous with the drillings and their "cuckoo clock" actions that are very complex and hard to repair. You start to worry who has been in it, what has been done and why.

Nothing is more beautiful than an 85%-90% condition drilling with even wear because you can detect that it is evenly worn and as-sold a century ago, rather than wondering why it has bright case coloring and a poorly refinished forend and a mismatched butt stock.

HWL · Mar 9, 2020

Albert GRANT said:
@rookhawk what are your thoughts on this one- 12ga. over 9.3x72 supposed to be a 1925 build-View attachment 334400 View attachment 334401 View attachment 334402 View attachment 334403 View attachment 334404 View attachment 334405 View attachment 334406 View attachment 334407 View attachment 334408 View attachment 334409 View attachment 334410

The gun has proof marks of the proof house of Ferlach Austria, year 1925.

Because of the kind of making, I think it is a made by Johann Sigott, but not for sure.

Guns from Ferlach, made after 1945 have a digit code, that indicates the manufacturer.

Stock not seems to be original.

HWL

Albert GRANT · Mar 9, 2020

Just goes to show even a reputable place like KTP may not know what they have. Glad I have this great site to fall back on in the future to be sure of a good purchase. That being said, anyone looking at this ad for either rifle, should read through the entire thread and consider themselves forewarned!

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