Eland, is the .308 Winchester enough gun?

It seems that my African hunts were in game rich areas with no worry about not getting another shot opportunity and no worries about long shots being necessary. I was also blessed with guides of considerable experience and skill who would work for a good shot rather than push me to take a bad one.
300 yards shot at an eland? Heck we turned down eland shots less than 50 yards.
I was also blessed on my recent Pronghorn hunt, my red deer hunt, my 6x6 elk hunt, etc. My DG PH and sharp eyed trackers led me to a 20 yard shot on my Cape buffalo. It always pays to work with good people.

Born lucky , I reckon.
crs,
“Eland shots less than 50 yards”? “20 yard shot on Cape Buffalo”? They’re supposed to open the gate and let them out of the corral first! Ha! Ha! Ha! Really, it would be great to have those close shots but I’m good friends with Mr. Murphy and his law of things going awry seem to often be present when I’m hunting? Congrats though on your successful hunting endeavors.
CEH
 
CEH - thank you for the well wishes. Realize that these were my first African hunts and I did know any better - had no idea that it was supposed to be so hard.
Same thing happened when I first shot Pronghorn bucks at 10 yards, 35 yards, 110 yards ( same 45-90 as in Africa), and at last, 238 yards. I am a slow learner.

Still learning on feral hogs though as my last boar was taken at about 36-48 inches with a 45-70 DR with a 26 inch barrels. Could not be exact as the boar was in a creek, under a downed tree, and fighting dogs on both sides, and would not stay still for a head shot; People were also shouting don't shoot the dogs and kill that damn thing before he cuts up more dogs! ( I have witnesses and pictures which can be handy when ones veracity is questioned.)

BTW, since you are understanding, polite, and from one of my favorite states, let me know when you do go to Africa and I will set you up with an outfitter in a riverine setting with plenty game. You may have to stalk and even crawl as we did for my blue wildebeest, but you will get all record book critters. He can even take you bird hunting if you like. We did and took 13 different species of birds in two days; including a miniature quail- so small that it made me feel bad and I shot no more of the little buggers. We also saw sunning hippos, crocs, and croc nests but they were not on license.
 
CEH - thank you for the well wishes. Realize that these were my first African hunts and I did know any better - had no idea that it was supposed to be so hard.
Same thing happened when I first shot Pronghorn bucks at 10 yards, 35 yards, 110 yards ( same 45-90 as in Africa), and at last, 238 yards. I am a slow learner.

Still learning on feral hogs though as my last boar was taken at about 36-48 inches with a 45-70 DR with a 26 inch barrels. Could not be exact as the boar was in a creek, under a downed tree, and fighting dogs on both sides, and would not stay still for a head shot; People were also shouting don't shoot the dogs and kill that damn thing before he cuts up more dogs! ( I have witnesses and pictures which can be handy when ones veracity is questioned.)

BTW, since you are understanding, polite, and from one of my favorite states, let me know when you do go to Africa and I will set you up with an outfitter in a riverine setting with plenty game. You may have to stalk and even crawl as we did for my blue wildebeest, but you will get all record book critters. He can even take you bird hunting if you like. We did and took 13 different species of birds in two days; including a miniature quail- so small that it made me feel bad and I shot no more of the little buggers. We also saw sunning hippos, crocs, and croc nests but they were not on license.
crs,
The trials and tribulations of any hunt are what lead to the most fond memories about that hunt in my opinion? Successful or not, the memories are ingrained as though you are right there at that moment in time when you take the time to share those stories with others. That hog hunt is a great example with chaos in charge and you in the middle! You’ll never, ever forget the details! Success can be measured by satisfaction! I believe you’ve accomplished both ! Thanks for sharing and I’ll let you know when I’m serious about Africa.
CEH
 
Don't take a knife to a gun fight! Yes you can kill a eland with a .308 and it is legal in Zimbabwe, but I would certainly recommend nothing less than a .338, a .375 even better. Then put the bullet where it supposed to go, the magic triangle!

To my knowledge in Zim, the minimum requirement to kill eland, lion, and giraffe is a gun producing at least 4300 joules and with 7mm or greater projectiles. My back of a napkin math suggests the weakest gun legal for that is a 300h&h or a custom handload in 7x64 brenneke. A .308 is 1500 joules short of the legal minimum.

Things change, but that was the law when I bought my 300HH and was the rule that prompted that purchase. Side note I learned the hard way: you don’t want a single shot 8lb rifle in 300HH....ouch!
 
In July of 2015, my son Kim who lives in Melbourne, Australia came on father -and-son hunt with me. We hunted in Limpopo Province on a game farm situated in the triangle between Vaalwater, Thabazimbi and Lephalale.

I would not call Kim an experienced hunter although he had by then shot over ten different species of animals in his hunting career.

He was shooting a Sako Blackbear in 308W loaded with Barnes Vor-tx 165 gr ammunition. This combination had already proved quite deadly on a big Water Buck male as well as a nice Blue Wildebeest, the Barnes 165 gr. TTSX having completely penetrated the Blue Wildebeest on a side shoulder shot and having penetrated the Water Buck from front shoulder to tail on a front quartering shot. Both animals fell to the shot on the spot.

On that particular morning the two of us as and the tracker were hunting a part of the farm that was characterized by particularly thick bushveld.

After about 3 hours of hunting, the headache that I had started the morning with, had deteriorated and I asked the tracker to call the vehicle by radio in order to take me back to the camp. My son was to continue hunting back to the camp with the tracker.

Shortly after arriving back, the hunting vehicle came flying back into the camp and I was informed that my son had wounded a large Eland bull and that we were now going to do a follow up in order to locate the wounded animal. I immediately jumped up grabbed my rifle and accompanied the vehicle back to where my son and the tracker were waiting. They had found blood and were ready to take up the spoor.

Kim explained that they spotted a massive Eland bull at under 40 meters through the thick bush. The bull was facing them, he could clearly see his chest and that he couldn’t really see the rest of the animal’s body. The tracker put up the sticks and my son fired a shot into the massive chest of the Eland. He was not confident of the shot and said that the Eland had run off quite strongly.

That is when the fun started and the eland took us on the tour of the farm. We tracked the Eland for 6 hours and for over 10 kilometers, at times we could hear the clicking of the Eland’s tendon as it slipped over the bone of his knee but we could not see him to get another shot at him. The chase continued until darkness and we called it a day. My son was shattered as we could not find the animal he had wounded.

We were leaving the next day and I had to cough up for a wounded animal that we could not locate.

What lessons can be learned from the sorry tale above? This is what I take from the experience.

An Eland is a massive animal and frontal shots are to be discouraged unless the shooter is experienced and he is shooting a caliber that has sufficient penetration to to reach the vitals. Clearly the 308W with the Vor-tx ammunition was capable of doing this, having previously been exhibited by other game we shot. In this case it would appear that the because the Eland was peering through the bush with the rest of his body not directly in line with his chest, the bullet zipped in at angle, penetrated the brisket and then passed through. In retrospect he should never have taken that shot and his lack experience contributed to situation that followed.

The African bushveld does not always afford the opportunity of classic hunting shots, side on, into the shoulder of animals. Often a hunter needs to get “on the sticks” and shoot quickly or his opportunity will be lost. This is where calibers like the various 375’S or a 9,3x62 come into their own. They just hit harder and the chance of dropping the animal with a less than perfect shot is that much greater.

If one is an ethical hunter and respects the game one hunts, one owes it to ensure a quick death for that animal. This would include choosing the correct caliber from the outset. In the case of Eland the biggest caliber that one can shoot accurately and that would be capable of taking an Eland. He would also do well to have practiced shooting off sticks at various distances.

If I was hunting Eland I would never leave camp without my trusted 375 H&H loaded with Swift A Frame ammunition. Would I use a 308W ? The answer would have to be no!

Happy hunting!

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An eland is a big animal, but it doesn't have giraffe or hippo skin. I've taken eland with both a .300 Win Mag as well as a .375 H&H. I can't say that I've seen enough of a difference between the two to suggest that a .300 might be a bit light. So I'd be just as comfortable taking the shot with the .300 as with the .375.

As for the .308, it's a bit lighter still than the .300, but I don't think I'd worry about it. If you put a .308 bullet and a .375 bullet in the same place on an eland, it's just as dead. On the other hand, if you don't put either one in the right place, I'm not sure you have a better chance of recovery with the .375 - this is an animal that can run all day when wounded.

Having said that, I'm always a fan of using whatever you're most comfortable with so long as it's legal and ethical. In my view, the .308 meets both those tests, so if you don't want the kick of the .338 or bigger, or even the .300, the .308 is a good bet. On the other hand, if you're looking for an opportunity to use the 9.3x62 or the .375 (and I often am looking for an opportunity to use something bigger from the cabinet), then you should do that!
Hank2211
I agree. When I took my son to Namibia the subject of Eland came up. My PH said the would feel comfortable using my son's 308 on them with the load he used on zebra. This bullet drove Thu angle Thu breaking the shoulder on the way. That bullet was a 140gn outer edge monolith. If you use a good projectiles like the outer edge, Barnes, Sirroco or others it should do the job. It's not that far behind the 06.
Cheers mate Bob
 
The primary lesson I learned on my African safari was that shot placement counts for everything. My dad shot his Eland in the right place with a 7mm Rem Mag and it dropped within 30 yards. Another guy we hunted with shot one in the wrong place with a .300 RUM and it ran up the mountain, down the other side, and may still be running today. The same was true of everything we hunted. A round in the heart and lungs dropped the animal quickly, and a misplaced shot meant tracking and follow-up shots.
Chonk34
I agree mate hit them in the right place with the right bullet it's yours. Zebra, kudu and eland aren't armourer plated. Seem to me a lot of people Are a over gunned, that's fine if you can handle it.
One American hunter once wrote why do men need magnums when the kids are killing the same game easily with a 308 or 6.5.
Cheers chonk34
Bob Nelson
 
I saw the same on my Safari. I took 6 Plains Game animals from Kudu to Warthog. All 1 shot kills with my .308. Kept all shots under 125 yds. Several guys shooting magnum calibers had to get on the track with dogs and lost trophy fees. It's about the bullet and placement. A bad shot with a magnum caliber is still a bad shot.
Archer 36
My son did the same. His zebra was at around 170 to 180yards. He spent a lot of time on the sticks beforehand with a 22, his 308 and my 35 Whelen. He could consistently hit a 6 inch plate at 200 yards with the 308 and 35. He could also do the same from the sitting and kneeling positions. Practice practice then practice some more with your rifle of choice.
If you aren't comfortable with the shot don't take it no matter what. Yes caliber matters so does shooting ability and the sense to only take ethical shots
Just my 2 cents worth.
Cheers
Bob
 
So why stop there. Use a .460 Nitro.
We can talk about what is the best and we can talk about what is adequate. It's a always a good idea to err on the upside. I am not advocating hunting Eland with a .308 as your caliber of choice, but if you encounter one at a reasonable range that your PH has confidence in, there is no proof that a .308 with the proper bullet will not do the job if placed properly. A Magnum placed improperly will not do the same. A person should shoot a reasonable caliber accurately rather than a big bore inaccurately. You don't need many years of Africa hunting experience to figure that out, It's common sense. So, all things being equal, if you can shoot a .338 and .308 the same, by all means choose the larger caliber. That also is common sense. To say 'NO", to a .308 is not responsible. To say you would choose a larger caliber is a great suggestion.
I will be hunting Eland with my Crossbow in September. Let's see if it takes this thread to another level. LOL
Archer36
My PH has taken several Eland and a lot of other game with a bow and arrow 1shot. Go hunt them and enjoy. Shoot straight
Cheers mate Bob
 
Archer 36
My son did the same. His zebra was at around 170 to 180yards. He spent a lot of time on the sticks beforehand with a 22, his 308 and my 35 Whelen. He could consistently hit a 6 inch plate at 200 yards with the 308 and 35. He could also do the same from the sitting and kneeling positions. Practice practice then practice some more with your rifle of choice.
If you aren't comfortable with the shot don't take it no matter what. Yes caliber matters so does shooting ability and the sense to only take ethical shots
Just my 2 cents worth.
Cheers
Bob

A 35 whelen shooting a 310gr woodleigh softpoint at a mere 23lbs of felt recoil is a FAR different weapon than a .308 shooting a 150gr or 165gr bullet. A 35 whelen is a brilliant killer inside of 200 yards for all manner of creatures.
 
A 35 whelen shooting a 310gr woodleigh softpoint at a mere 23lbs of felt recoil is a FAR different weapon than a .308 shooting a 150gr or 165gr bullet. A 35 whelen is a brilliant killer inside of 200 yards for all manner of creatures.
rookhawk
My 35 Whelen recoils quite a bit more than that. Try a 225 grain woodleigh @ 2,950fps chronoed for 4,300fpe of muzzle energy or a 250 grain Speer hotcore @ 2,700fps chronoed. Now both those loads are safe in my rifle. The Speer is directly from the Speer reloading site. Those loads i can assure you develop more than 23lbs of recoil. Both those loads and my accubonds @ 2,860fps are sure good to well over 200yards.
Big pigs at 300yards drop as if pole axed. None of my game in Namibia went more than 30 yards. All one shot kills.
Cheers mate
Bob Nelson
 
rookhawk
My 35 Whelen recoils quite a bit more than that. Try a 225 grain woodleigh @ 2,950fps chronoed for 4,300fpe of muzzle energy or a 250 grain Speer hotcore @ 2,700fps chronoed. Now both those loads are safe in my rifle. The Speer is directly from the Speer reloading site. Those loads i can assure you develop more than 23lbs of recoil. Both those loads and my accubonds @ 2,860fps are sure good to well over 200yards.
Big pigs at 300yards drop as if pole axed. None of my game in Namibia went more than 30 yards. All one shot kills.
Cheers mate
Bob Nelson

Gun weight - recoil weight - impulse speed

.35 Whelen (200 at 2675) 8.0 22.6 13.5
.35 Whelen (225 at 2525) 8.0 25.0 14.2
.35 Whelen (250 at 2400) 7.5 27.9 15.5

my 9.5lb custom model 70 (scoped) puts out about 23lbs.
 
rookhawk
My 35 Whelen recoils quite a bit more than that. Try a 225 grain woodleigh @ 2,950fps chronoed for 4,300fpe of muzzle energy or a 250 grain Speer hotcore @ 2,700fps chronoed. Now both those loads are safe in my rifle. The Speer is directly from the Speer reloading site. Those loads i can assure you develop more than 23lbs of recoil. Both those loads and my accubonds @ 2,860fps are sure good to well over 200yards.
Big pigs at 300yards drop as if pole axed. None of my game in Namibia went more than 30 yards. All one shot kills.
Cheers mate
Bob Nelson
Inexpensive ‘06 brass necked up to .35 + fairly mild recoil= .35 Whelen. GREAT cartridge! Although a 310gr bullet might be a bit much?
 
Inexpensive ‘06 brass necked up to .35 + fairly mild recoil= .35 Whelen. GREAT cartridge! Although a 310gr bullet might be a bit much?
CoElkHunter
I'm going to get some 275 and 310grain woodleigh to try and develop a load. So far looking at 2,500 for the 275s and close to 2,350 for the 310s. I will let you know how it goes.
Cheers mate Bob
 
Yes, but no..... standing broadside at 100 yards at rest, sure. Running at 300, NO! In Africa you don’t always get to chose your opportunities
 
Gun weight - recoil weight - impulse speed

.35 Whelen (200 at 2675) 8.0 22.6 13.5
.35 Whelen (225 at 2525) 8.0 25.0 14.2
.35 Whelen (250 at 2400) 7.5 27.9 15.5

my 9.5lb custom model 70 (scoped) puts out about 23lbs.
rookhawk
Look at my replies in 35 Whelan post your Whelen is capable of far better than that and safely with new powders such as cfe223.
Check out the the website for Speer reloading. They list 59 to 64 grains of cfe223 with the 250gn Speer hotcore for close one 2,700 fps.
Nosler lists the 225gn accubond at close,to 2800 fps with 60.5 grains of Varget
The 200 gn hornaday give a,chronoed velocity of 2950fps with cfe223.
This turns the Whelen into an entirely different beast that give the 338 win mag a horrible shake up without rattling your teeth or knocking you out from under your hat.
Cheers mate Bob
 
Interesting controversial subject as always.
My 2c worth is as follows. ZAR cents are worthless btw ;o)

Eland are usually found in two types of terrain in South Africa, thick Bushveld ( >100m) and then more open plains or mountain areas like the E-Cape, N-Cape.
You need a to shoot a heavy or well constructed bullet to reliably penetrate, velocity is your friend only when shooting across the valley or over a large clearing. It can be a problem close up when you hit bone unless you are shooting a wonder bullet.
And we are talking big trophy bulls here too, not just Eland cows.

.308 is not ideal across the board but will work at short range with a heavy premium bullet.
I always prefer the .30-06 and .300 magnums over the .308 for their ability to shoot heavier bullets, I don't get people who shoot magnums with 150/165gr bullets.
Locals can afford to pass up a shot or two, I'll get one a little later. An Eland cow for some delicious meat, no problem. Maybe as a once in a lifetime trophy hunting visitor to Africa be sure you cover all scenarios and go bigger for those big blue Eland bulls.
220gr .30-06 and up :A Rock: but 180gr mono bullets seem to work as good as much heavier conventional or bonded ones.
 
Inexpensive ‘06 brass necked up to .35 + fairly mild recoil= .35 Whelen. GREAT cartridge! Although a 310gr bullet might be a bit much?
CoElkHunter
Inexpensive '06 brass necked up to 35 + 60.5 grains of Varget + 225 gn accubond @2,850fps = plenty of wallop for an elk out to 400 yards with tolerable recoil.
250grain Speer hotcore for 2,700fps = yeah I definitely know that's gone bang
Cheers mate Bob
 
How big are Eland?
I used a hired 7mm RM and shot a Blue Wildebeeste and others. All one shot kills on my first/only African hunt.
How much bigger than Wildebeeste is Eland?
My PH said .300wm May be a good choice plains game he was freelance and guiding me his hire rifle is a .300wm.
I have owned a .300wm and hope to own another. I would probably consider that an option as a one rifle option for a PG hunt. Some Australian here has been telling me the merits of the .35Whelen want another .300, what am I to do with the ammo otherwise?
 

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