The World Of Hunting : Then And Now

Nice section about bullets. Tested a few monolithic bulets from Sax for my 375 h&h. So far I'm very happy with them. They are only 154 grains.

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Nooo , Die Jager ! Stay away from this 154 grain ammunition for cape buffalo . It will end very badly . The ideal bullet for buffalo / gaur should not weigh less than 250 grains . Now , why would anyone design such a light bullet for cape buffalo ?
 
I suppose the "beat" is alive and well in the European "driven hunt" where you have a number of hunters at assigned positions, and people and/or dogs driving the animals towards them. I think it is mainly done for various species of deer and wild boar.

A drive is one of the usual methods for hunting Moose in my corner of Europe. Typically, the "drivers" are spaced at least 50 meters apart. The hunt manager needs to set it up carefully to ensure the "drivers" do not end up in the line of fire.
Thank you so much for educating me , Perttime . In Bangladesh , we often conduct beats for Muntjac deer . The standard practice is to use a 12 calibre shot gun , loaded with triple A cartridges for barking deer shot during beats.
 
I second that the Rhino monolitics are good....I have shot a couple of elephants with a bolt rifle in .375H&H with 300 grainers...very good penetration..

A friend tried the frontal brain shot on elephant with same caliber/bullet, missed the brain (low..), but the bullet kept on and hit the spine...thus anchoring the animal.. (!)

Will try Barnes banded 500 grainers in my .470NE..
I am glad that my speculation is accurate , Pondoro. Is your .470 Nitro Express double barreled rifle a vintage piece or a new production model ? The older double barreled rifles have softer barrels than their modern counterparts . I wonder if monolithic bullets are safe to use in these older pieces.
 
Great story major!
I thoroughly enjoy your writing and systematic approach!

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I can add to this: there is also a bird shooting, cull & management hunt options which make modern African safaris more affordable.
I am immensely grateful for your kind words , Mark Hunter. Thank you so much for helping me expand my knowledge. My dream is to shoot a blue wildebeest and an African lion some day , before l turn 83 .
 
A bit more about costs in that era. In the early 1970s in Fort Worth, Texas, a small 2 bedroom, 1 bath, single car garage home was $12,000. I only made $15,000 a year as a young tool design engineer with a master’s degree.
This is extremely useful information , Ridge Walker. It helps me greatly to understand the costs of things during my youth in a different part of the world.
 
I hope that you will like the rest.
Yes sir I did as always enjoy it!
This is extremely useful information , Ridge Walker. It helps me greatly to understand the costs of things during my youth in a different part of the world.
Just thought I’d throw that in as a comparison.

The TBBC bullets are just now being put on the market as a reloading component. As a matter of fact, I just looked them up today at MidwayUSA, a well known sight for reloading components. I’ll have to admit I was a bit shocked at their cost...nearly $4.00 per bullet in 300 grain 375! That is almost twice what Swift A-frames cost! Federal (the manufacturer of them) had been loading them in their on premium ammo, and they had been rumored they would be a component. This is overpriced IMO. I would rather use NorthFork bullets once they come back on the market, or go back to Swift A-frames which are excellent IMO.

Looking forward to your next article and I always enjoy anything about crocodiles! But any of the three suggestions I’m sure will be very interesting!

Have a good visit with Kawshik and tell him his AH audience is waiting on his next article too.
 
blue wildebeest and an African lion some day , before l turn 83 .
I envy your youthful spirit, sir. that is the way to go!(y)

If budget is limited, then South Africa is place to look for. There are many options in SA!!!
 
Poton bhai , my eyes were glued to the entire article the whole time ! What have you done to me ?! Nowadays , l cannot even pick up any article related to hunting other than yours . I cannot wait for " Man Eater : Descent Into Depravity " to be published . I am certain that everyone here shall purchase your book .

On the subject of poor old Wani losing his hand , you neglected to mention a very vital piece of information. It was YOU who finally blew that devilish Royal Bengal Tiger's brains out . Being modest , are we ?

PS : I know that you will be fuming with rage right now . But l converted my rifle license and sold the .338 Winchester Magnum last week to another BSF member ( Haider bhai's son ) . I made my elder son purchase a new Winchester Model 70 Safari Express chambered in .458 Winchester Magnum from the United States for me and it reached my hands day before yesterday . The next time you come to Chittagong , l will show it to you . I cannot wait to try it out on a Sambhar Deer this November . Do you have any plans to visit RRC next week ? If so , then we can shoot it together and try it out .
I have 200 cartridges with me .
 
I envy your youthful spirit, sir. that is the way to go!(y)

If budget is limited, then South Africa is place to look for. There are many options in SA!!!
My dream is Namibia , Mark Hunter. I believe that a man's body may age , but it will never slow him down as long as the mind is young.
 
Poton bhai , my eyes were glued to the entire article the whole time ! What have you done to me ?! Nowadays , l cannot even pick up any article related to hunting other than yours . I cannot wait for " Man Eater : Descent Into Depravity " to be published . I am certain that everyone here shall purchase your book .

On the subject of poor old Wani losing his hand , you neglected to mention a very vital piece of information. It was YOU who finally blew that devilish Royal Bengal Tiger's brains out . Being modest , are we ?

PS : I know that you will be fuming with rage right now . But l converted my rifle license and sold the .338 Winchester Magnum last week to another BSF member ( Haider bhai's son ) . I made my elder son purchase a new Winchester Model 70 Safari Express chambered in .458 Winchester Magnum from the United States for me and it reached my hands day before yesterday . The next time you come to Chittagong , l will show it to you . I cannot wait to try it out on a Sambhar Deer this November . Do you have any plans to visit RRC next week ? If so , then we can shoot it together and try it out .
I have 200 cartridges with me .
I received the news from your son 4 days back , Newaz. He called me using Viber and asked what factory loaded cartridges l recommend he bring for you . You should be ashamed of yourself for selling that beautiful .338 Winchester magnum calibre FN Mauser action custom bolt rifle . And to sell it for a .458 Winchester magnum calibre rifle is just criminal !

Jokes aside , heartiest congratulations for your new purchase. You have been wanting to own 1 for many years . I suppose that it was best that you purchased it now . Based on my searches on the internet , fewer and fewer rifle manufacturers are currently offering control round feed rifles chambered in .458 Winchester magnum calibre these days . It will be my privilege to go try it out at the Rajdhani Rifle Club with you next week. We can then develop a suitable hand loaded cartridge for it to suit all of your needs . You purchased it at a good time too. It will allow me to see for myself if modern propellants , bullets and hand loading techniques have actually improved the performance potential of the .458 Winchester magnum calibre in modern times.
 
I have a feeling that our fellow forum members: Kawshik, Major Khan, and major Nwz, are on warp speed, fast track acquiring new rifles, just after joining the forum!

certainly, this forum motivates!

Gents, congratulations!
 
What brand of cartridges did you acquire @Captain Nwz I certainly love my model 70 375 H&H and you will like yours I’m sure.
Congratulations on the purchase!
Wyatt Smith , why thank you ! I am currently using Hornady DGX 500 grain expanding cartridges and Hornady DGS 500 grain full metal jacket cartridges . When l begin handloading , l suppose that l will use either Hornady 500 grain bullets or Woodleigh 500 grain bullets.
My preference lies with Hornady , because l am familiar with the brand for forty years . I prefer traditional lead core bullets over the new copper alloy bullets on the market ( however , this is more out of nostalgia , than practicality . )
 
I have a feeling that our fellow forum members: Kawshik, Major Khan, and major Nwz, are on warp speed, fast track acquiring new rifles, just after joining the forum!

certainly, this forum motivates!

Gents, congratulations!
mark- hunter , it is like you can read minds . I always dreamt of owning a .458 Winchester Magnum some day . However , l thought that it was a little too large for hunting Bangladeshi game . Eventually , l realized that many of my elder son's Australian friends use .458 Winchester Magnums for Sambhar Deer in Australia without feeling overgunned . Thus , l thought. Why not go for it ? If not at the age of 72 , then when ?
 
I am glad that my speculation is accurate , Pondoro. Is your .470 Nitro Express double barreled rifle a vintage piece or a new production model ? The older double barreled rifles have softer barrels than their modern counterparts . I wonder if monolithic bullets are safe to use in these older pieces.

Major, my .470 is a Krieghoff Big Five model of recent make.. There is a lot of controversy about using monolithics in pre-WW2 doubles..
However..recent testing seem to indicate that the banded monolithics actually produce less pressure than modern Woodleigh solids (with much thicker steel envelopes than the old Kynoch solids..), the woodies are very hard.. . Now, I also have an old brit. double in .475NE (WW1 vintage) and have used Woodleigh solids in it in Africa....but there has been incidents with split barrels in old doubles..presumably caused by too hard bullets and high pressure..

After all... a lot have happened to metalurgy in 100 years..

Me, I will not use non-banded monos in any rifle, bolt or double due to these pressure problems...I will use banded ones in my rifles...I think banded flat tipped monos are the best for elephant hunting..
 
Major, my .470 is a Krieghoff Big Five model of recent make.. There is a lot of controversy about using monolithics in pre-WW2 doubles..
However..recent testing seem to indicate that the banded monolithics actually produce less pressure than modern Woodleigh solids (with much thicker steel envelopes than the old Kynoch solids..), the woodies are very hard.. . Now, I also have an old brit. double in .475NE (WW1 vintage) and have used Woodleigh solids in it in Africa....but there has been incidents with split barrels in old doubles..presumably caused by too hard bullets and high pressure..

After all... a lot have happened to metalurgy in 100 years..

Me, I will not use non-banded monos in any rifle, bolt or double due to these pressure problems...I will use banded ones in my rifles...I think banded flat tipped monos are the best for elephant hunting..
That is an extremely wise assessment , Pondoro. Thank you so much for your insight. While l have unfortunately never had the pleasure to shoot an elephant ( they were a protected species , even during our time ) , l have accompanied forest department officials on numerous occasions when they had to dispatch rogue Indian elephants. The Indian forest department officials of the Maharashtra state were issued pre 64 Winchester Model 70 bolt rifles , chambered in .458 Winchester Magnum for shooting rogue Indian elephants . To the best of my knowledge , the forest department officials had 3 such rifles in their inventory. They would use Hornady factory loaded cartridges which used 500 grain solid metal covered bullets . The Hornady solid bullets used to be very good as their jackets were made from a very strong steel . A retired forest department friend of mine who killed 10 rogue elephants in the 1960s told me that the best bullet to use for elephants are meplat flat nose solid metal covered bullets with strong steel jackets . He claims that their penetration is better than round nosed solid metal covered bullets. Therefore , l would highly recommend meplat bullets for elephants , based on my friend 's advice. Of course , nowadays , the modern monolithic bullet had pushed the traditional solid metal covered bullet of my time into obsolescence .

By the way , l am curious. You have stated that modern Woodleigh bullets generate higher pressures than old ICI Kynoch bullets and that this has damaged some rifle barrels . Suppose someone uses 500 grain modern Woodleigh bullets in an original pre 64 Winchester Model 70 , chambered in .458 Winchester magnum calibre . Would there be any chance of the rifle getting damaged ?
 
I would not hesitate to use Woodleigh solids or Hornady DGS solids in a pre 64 Win. mod. 70 nor in any other modern quality bolt rifle..but careful with max reloads in the heat..
 

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