Muzzle Brake Use

If go to the range and I see a rifle with a brake I go to another lane or just leave. They are obnoxious and still dangerously loud, even with hearing protection. Either get a smaller caliber or spend the time and $ and get a suppressor (if it's legal in your state)
At our range benches are assigned by the RM. If I am already shooting and some knucklehead plants down next to me with a BRAKE;) and its bad,:eek: I ask them to move, then I go and chew out the RM for putting one next to me:rolleyes::p. No reason why I should have to move.:mad:
 
I see no need for a brake. If you can't handle the recoil, get a caliber you can handle.
 
There are two schools of thought on brakes. :whistle:

1. If you need one, you're a pansy. :cry:

2. If they bother you, you're a pansy. :cry:

:LOL:
That covers all the bases! I guess. Am one as I have a break on my 416 Ruger and I like it. (y)
 
You mean a BRAKE?;):rolleyes: You may like it but nobody else within earshot of you does.:rolleyes::D:(:p:D:eek::eek::eek:
 
You mean a BRAKE?;):rolleyes: You may like it but nobody else within earshot of you does.:rolleyes::D:(:p:D:eek::eek::eek:

yes that’s what I mean.....unfortunately I type with fat fingers and have auto correct on this IPad! And everyone at the range wears ear protection so they don’t care. They ignore that rifle but when I fire the 470 NE they walk down to see what I’m shooting. Go figure!
 
I guess if it’s medical grounds then you need it. If you advise everyone you have done the right thing.
If YOU NEED IT. and others have an opinion opposing it it’s just an opinion and they can find a compromise.
 
I think we should count the number of times this has come up. I noticed it still hasn’t changed anyone’s mind from what they said the first time I saw it come up.

Just an FYI to those who keep saying choose another caliber, what you are saying is we shouldn’t hunt DG if we can’t handle the caliber without a brake. I for one only hunt DG with my PH and tracker (not quite true, Toby458 was on my lion/lioness hunt). If they are OK that’s all that matters to me.

I wonder how many times we will all give the same opinion until we each get health issues. Hopefully none of you healthy guys will get our afflictions.

Best of luck staying healthy, but don’t stop just because you’re not as healthy as you once were. Adjust to what ever it takes. I’m sure lots of us wouldn’t shoot from the bakkie, but if I can’t walk the distances required, I’ll still go to Africa and if it’s OK with my PH, I’ll shoot from the bakkie. I don’t like shooting from a blind, but again if I hunt leopard, I’ll shoot from a blind. Etc, etc, etc. JMO
 
yes that’s what I mean.....unfortunately I type with fat fingers and have auto correct on this IPad! And everyone at the range wears ear protection so they don’t care. They ignore that rifle but when I fire the 470 NE they walk down to see what I’m shooting. Go figure!

I normally don't get much attention until I break out the 11" ARs. Those will rock you if you aren't right behind them.
 
So, let me get this straight. In a hunting scenario if someone close by fires a large caliber centerfire rifle and I'm not wearing hearing protection I don't have to worry about hearing damage but if that same rifle has a muzzle brake then hearing damage is an issue. Good to know.
 
They ignore that rifle but when I fire the 470 NE they walk down to see what I’m shooting. Go figure!

Cody and I got kicked off the range one time for shooting our 470 NE rifles. Yeah, go figure. The pansies shooting the match on the range adjacent to us complained to the Range Master.

Just a low-pressure boomer. Not a ear-splittin-loudenboomer with a brake!
 
Lots of people seem very negative on muzzle brakes. I understand that, but mine has allowed me to keep hunting. I was suffering from a torn retina. Scary thing if you have never had it. The Dr said if it severs completely, I would have 24 hours to get it reattached or I would go permanently blind.
I could just see myself in a foreign land in the bush going blind. I got a muzzle brake.
I have used it now in Africa and made my PH and trackers aware of it. They usually plugged their ears before I fired. If anyone was at the range when I was there, I let them know as well.
Things seem to be improving now, so I have purchased a second 375 H&H with no brake. I have been shooting it occasionally and am gaining confidence that I will not tear the retina again. It will probably be going with me the next time I take a rifle to Africa.

You have to do what you have to do for yourself, not for everyone else. If you need one, get it . Just let those around you be aware. JMO
I also have had a torn retina episode, in Nov 2018. Not shooting related, but . . .

A few tiny drops of ocular fluid got behind the retinal tear (upper left quadrant of my left eye) and settled through gravity (to lower right quadrant) and became trapped when my retinal tissue was stich-welded back in place via laser surgery. My vision when I close my right eye distorts edges in all directions in a wavy funhouse mirror style effect. Fortunately, my right eye is my dominant eye.

As a consequence I've been receiving monthly injections of medication directly into my left eyeball (topical anasthesia only) for the past year. I had some imaging done last week showing these"dimples" are still there and maybe reduced in size by 50% or so (subjective comparison vs first imaging that revealed this complication). So I figure I probably have 12 more or so months to go if, and this a big if, the response to the medicine is linear and not a decaying exponential (diminishing returns). No way to better predict, and I just have to hang on for the full ride.

I have a .264 Win Mag with a muzzle brake that I have shot without incident, and my plan (which is purely subjective) is to take steps to reduce tecoil in calibers with greater recoil than .30-06 Springfield going forward to reduce risk of another retinal event. If I get a torn retina in my right eye, I'm housebound until it heals, and I know first hand "healed" can take quite a while if there are complications.

This is a major factor in my use of a .25-06 rifle instead of a .30-06 rifle for my (successful) recent hunting in Texas. The .25-06 has killed game just as dead with good bullet placement in my hands on deer and feral hogs, with 60% or so of the recoil of a .30-06.

I have already corresponded with one outfitter in SA that is glad to accomodate me for plains game hunting, but also assured me .270 Winchester and up is sufficient for plains game on their property with good shot placement. I have electronic hearing protection for myself, and a second set my guide is welcome to use during a hunt when I book, that I'm glad to leave as an extra bonus with a good supply of (standard AAA) batteries as part of good service, on top of monetary tips.

So my experience is I had no difficulty locating an outfitter that will accomodate me if I bring a rifle with a muzzle brake. The more difficult adjustment may be to not require I use sticks as I was taught rifle shooting with a sling for stability in what the NRA defined as four standard positions back in the 1970's, so my non-dominant arm is used in conjunction with a sling not only for stability but also to keep the rifle butt snug to my shoulder leaving my dominant arm and hand devoted to smooth trigger work. There's an agreement to have me shoot to the outfitter's satisfaction at their range before hunting, which I find reasonable and acceptable.

JM2C, YMMV
 
FWIW, I took a NRA Basic Rifle course last year as a refresher, and to what might be different since my last such formal instruction as a new teenager, and I'd never used a scoped firearm at that point. We started sighting in my Steyr Pro Hunter on a local outdoor range he's connected with.

While we were there, the range owner asked my instructor to sight in the range's new .50BMG Jarret rental rifle. My job in Lane 2 was to keep Lanes 1 & 3 also empty while he fetched that rifle & ammo. In the mean time, Lanes 4 on filled up with other folks with their rifles. I was wearing electronic hearing protection, my instructor was using earplugs. The other shooters were a mixture of hearing protection, but all shooters and observers were all using some sort of hearing protection.

He set up in Lane 2 while I acted as spotter in Lane 1 with my rifle's scope. He certainly got even more attention once he started firing than he did while setting up that gun. My electronic hearing protection worked great, but of course there was still significantly more concussive effect + noise vs every other rifle on the line. He shot 20 rounds (2 boxes) as the scope hadn't been bore-sighted or practiced with before the range owner came to us as the first (earliest) customers at the 100 yard range. Nobody pitched a bitch nor left before he ran out of ammo. One shooter spoke conversationally about shooting the Ma Deuce full auto with disposable earplugs as part of his stint in our nation's military forces, but there weren't any meltdowns among the other shooters.

I loaned my braked (as I bought it, not installed by me) .264 Win Mag with 26" barrel + brake for our feral hog hunt in April this year. He sighted it in at the only indoor range on our area with 100 yard lames. When shooting indoors, I use disposable ear plugs because my electronic hearing protection has issues dealing with echoes in indoor ranges. Range personnel had zero problems with this, and none of the other shooters present expressed any issues while we were there.

Some folks though clearly are more sensitive about the topic of muzzle brakes than others, which they have a right to express, just as those who have less sensitivity to braked rifles have every right to express. There is no one-size-fits-all position on this subject.
 
For those that are anti brake, what is an option for introducing a young hunter to our sport. I'm sure all have children or grandchildren that they want to share their passion with. I myself have a 9 year old son that will accompany me on our 2020 safari and he will be shooting a 308 with a brake. Why, because he is a 68 lb, 9 year old boy that cant quite handle the recoil of larger caliber rifles. Should i have told him he isn't man enough to handle the recoil so he would just have to spectate? It's no secret that hunting in general is under attack. I personally believe introducing and involving the youth as early as possible is key to the survival of a sport we all enjoy. If this means that we have to use a brake, then use it. Inform those you are with including all staff and have a memorable experience.
 
I start all my new shooters with a .22 rimfire. They then graduate to a .17 or .20 caliber centerfire and MAYBE a 20 gauge shotgun. Nothing turns a potential good shooter in to a bad one with an early aversion to recoil. YMMV.
 
Outdoorbound, just an FYI, but a lot of PHes have suppressors on loaner rifles (Lots of 308s). They not only reduce recoil, but also keep the loud muzzle blast way down. Sometimes muzzle blast causes more flinching than actual recoil.
I’d get one for my 375, but so far I haven’t found one I can afford.

Your son is going to have a great time! Glad to hear you are taking such a young hunter! What a way to start out a hunting life...in Africa!
 
So what if you are making scrambled eggs while hunting Captive Bred Lions? Brake or No Brake?
 
It was 1969 , in Nagpur , India . My shikar partner , Tobin Stakkatz and l were assigned by our employers in Allwyn Cooper Limited to guide an Australian client who wanted to hunt a gaur ( the Indian equivalent of your African cape buffalo ). The client had brought a .458 Winchester magnum calibre Mauser action bolt rifle , built by the British company , Birmingham Small Arms. It had a muzzle brake on it to help reduce recoil ( that rifle only weighed little above 6 pounds ) . After half a gruelling day of tracking a suitable gaur , the gentleman took aim with the rifle and Tobin was sadly next to the muzzle. The resulting flash of gas and the blast completely disoriented Tobin , both temporarily blinding him and deafening him . The 500 grain Winchester solid metal covered bullet wounded the gaur in 1 lung , but failed to kill it . I am not going to bore any gentlemen here with the details . But Tobin got gored by the gaur's horns , ended up losing a kidney and retired from guiding clients on shikars for dangerous game . All because he was disoriented by that muzzle brake
Needless to say , it did not leave a good impression in my mind of the muzzle brake device .
I related a portion of this story before on this site.
However , back in those days in India , the customer ( client ) was always right , and l sadly had to guide quite a few more clients who brought muzzle brakes on their rifles . The worst was the .460 Weatherby Mark V . Fortunately , l learnt to get out the way soon enough .
 
For those that are anti brake, what is an option for introducing a young hunter to our sport.

Start them with the small stuff and work your way up.

Been done millions of times.

A lot of stuff can be cleanly killed with good, properly placed bullets from a .243 or .260.
 

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