Woodleigh Bullets

Rule 303 · Jan 16, 2018

Red Leg said:
It's a very good concept and bullet, but had not realized fully it had the properties of a laser. Who knew?! Could have dispensed with all that crawling around for a clear shot.

Buy some and do some experimentation. Like I said I and several people I know have not had any deviate when traveling through bush/wood or heavy bones. As I also mentioned there will be a time when circumstances are bound to cause the projectile to deviate and those that have experienced this are bound to be around somewhere.

IvW · Jan 16, 2018

Rule 303 said:
Buy some and do some experimentation. Like I said I and several people I know have not had any deviate when traveling through bush/wood or heavy bones. As I also mentioned there will be a time when circumstances are bound to cause the projectile to deviate and those that have experienced this are bound to be around somewhere.

Some bullets definitely "buck brush" better than others, however shots so taken are not recommended for the initial shot but on follow up shots can be taken as long as you are sure it is the right animal and no others are close to it.

Dr Ray · Jan 16, 2018

IvW said:
Some bullets definitely "buck brush" better than others, however shots so taken are not recommended for the initial shot but on follow up shots can be taken as long as you are sure it is the right animal and no others are close to it.

In my limited experience of shooting through brush etc I actually found my 45/70 (405) bucked it less than my 270’s 130 grain.figure that one.

Dr Ray · Jan 16, 2018

IvW said:
Some bullets definitely "buck brush" better than others, however shots so taken are not recommended for the initial shot but on follow up shots can be taken as long as you are sure it is the right animal and no others are close to it.

In my limited experience in shooting through scrub I found my 45/70 w 495 grain Bullets actually deflected more than my 270 using 130 grain bullets.
Tested using cardboard boxes as the target at around 40 meters.
So figure that one.

I’ll like to hear other members’ comments on that aspect.

Dr Ray · Jan 16, 2018

Dr Ray said:
In my limited experience in shooting through scrub I found my 45/70 w 495 grain Bullets actually deflected more than my 270 using 130 grain bullets.
Tested using cardboard boxes as the target at around 40 meters.
So figure that one.
I’ll like to hear other members’ comments on that aspect.

I meant 405 grain. I know these are fired at a very moderate rate.

Rule 303 · Jan 16, 2018

IvW said:
Some bullets definitely "buck brush" better than others, however shots so taken are not recommended for the initial shot but on follow up shots can be taken as long as you are sure it is the right animal and no others are close to it.

Can be done but certainly not recommended.

Adds some confidence knowing that it can be done if needs be.

Rule 303 · Jan 16, 2018

Dr Ray said:
In my limited experience in shooting through scrub I found my 45/70 w 495 grain Bullets actually deflected more than my 270 using 130 grain bullets.
Tested using cardboard boxes as the target at around 40 meters.
So figure that one.
I’ll like to hear other members’ comments on that aspect.

Nick Harvey (An Aussie gun writer) showed this to be the case back in the 80's or 90's. The traditional slow heavy round nose that was claimed to be the best bush bucking bullet was not. The lighter faster spitzer shaped bullet was. Flat metplat bullets, at least solids in this shape seem to be better.

Dr Ray · Jan 16, 2018

Rule 303 said:
Nick Harvey (An Aussie gun writer) showed this to be the case back in the 80's or 90's. The traditional slow heavy round nose that was claimed to be the best bush bucking bullet was not. The lighter faster spitzer shaped bullet was. Flat metplat bullets, at least solids in this shape seem to be better.

I remember that. I used to write for sporting shooters and guns way way back. Do not ask how long ago!!!

geoff rath · Jan 16, 2018

A great idea Dr Ray, good on yer mate. This sort of research is a great help for everyone who hunts. Geoff MacDonald's reloading manual covers a fair bit of detail on his research both in Oz and Africa. i like his approach to make a kill then conduct multiple "investigative" follow up shots to check penetration, expansion and bullet path. A book well worth buying. ask him and he'll even sign it for you. I doubt any other manufacturer matches his type of research.
Good hunting when you hit the big A in June.

Dr Ray · Jan 16, 2018

geoff rath said:
A great idea Dr Ray, good on yer mate. This sort of research is a great help for everyone who hunts. Geoff MacDonald's reloading manual covers a fair bit of detail on his research both in Oz and Africa. i like his approach to make a kill then conduct multiple "investigative" follow up shots to check penetration, expansion and bullet path. A book well worth buying. ask him and he'll even sign it for you. I doubt any other manufacturer matches his type of research.
Good hunting when you hit the big A in June.

I will and thanks.

geoff rath · Jan 16, 2018

I think it's about time I drove up to say "G'day!" to the CRM crew; haven't seen any of them for yonks.

Dr Ray · Jan 16, 2018

geoff rath said:
I think it's about time I drove up to say "G'day!" to the CRM crew; haven't seen any of them for yonks.

I know them. I actually called in to wish them merry Christmas.

geoff rath · Jan 16, 2018

If they hear my name they'll either swear, or laugh. A good, very knowledgeable bunch of blokes. I'd love to be able to shoot half as well as PK does, he's almost a freak in the nicest possible way.

Dr Ray · Jan 16, 2018

geoff rath said:
If they hear my name they'll either swear, or laugh. A good, very knowledgeable bunch of blokes. I'd love to be able to shoot half as well as PK does, he's almost a freak in the nicest possible way.

Pk does my triggers!
Where are you??

geoff rath · Jan 16, 2018

Brownsville, er, Townsville. I used to shoot service match and IPSC with/against PK occasionally, but NEVER to his standards.The story goes, that when he started shooting Service Match he was in Master grade within twelve months. I'll bet his skill levels haven't declined in the meantime .

Bob Nelson 35Whelen · Dec 10, 2019

I used 225grain woodleigh PPSP and 225grain accubonds in a 35 Whelan on my trip to Namibia.
I used the Woodleigh on a massive Hartman zebra. The shot was spot on the last chevron on the front leg. The projectile smashed the near side leg destroyed the chest cavity and continued on to smash the offside leg. The projectile was found under the skin on the offside.
Impact velocity was 2,700fps at 100 yards. Retained weight 176grain. Not to shabby for a bullet that smashed 2 major bones.
The load was 225grain woodleigh,
65 gn cfe223, coal 3.4 inch muzzle velocity chronoed 2,950fps.

The accubonds were loaded with 60.5 gnu Varget chronoed at 2,850fps. Similar impact velocity.
Kudu bull shot front on. Bullet retrieved from rear ham after traveling thru over 5 foot of kudu.
Retained weight 163 gn.
As I live in Australia I will be using the Woodleigh for hunting, cheaper than the accubonds and in my humble opinion a better bullet .top bullet in first photo accubond bottom woodleigh
.photo 2 left woodleigh right accubond

Bob Nelson 35Whelen · Dec 10, 2019

Apologies bullet on left accubond on right woodleigh

CBH Australia · Dec 17, 2019

I wonder why the government researchers tested both .300wm and .300wsm when their data shows them being so close in velocity and energy? Surely the results are going to be close. Perhaps no discernible difference.
Perhaps they should have tested a bigger calibre with say a 35cal projectile or the like.
I know shot placement is crucial so a cannon is no good to a person who won’t be competent with it but why the wsm? Even a .325wsm may be in a different category. The 35+ cal’s even better.
The agency I’m in use the term standardised armoury and includes.308.
Using those hydros I suspect the penetration from .308 is sufficient at under 1 metre.
A .35whelen or 358winchester may just open the wound channel but these are less common.
Im Thinking on some Woodleigh Heavy Duty soft nose round nose for my .375 H&H, they come in the same weight as the Hydros both .300g

Would people here use the Heavy duty over the RN SN or SP.PP????
I’m hoping to hunt buffalo one day and I’m going to get some loads right either way and use it .

Dr Ray · Dec 17, 2019

CBH Australia said:
I wonder why the government researchers tested both .300wm and .300wsm when their data shows them being so close in velocity and energy? Surely the results are going to be close. Perhaps no discernible difference.
Perhaps they should have tested a bigger calibre with say a 35cal projectile or the like.
I know shot placement is crucial so a cannon is no good to a person who won’t be competent with it but why the wsm? Even a .325wsm may be in a different category. The 35+ cal’s even better.
The agency I’m in use the term standardised armoury and includes.308.
Using those hydros I suspect the penetration from .308 is sufficient at under 1 metre.
A .35whelen or 358winchester may just open the wound channel but these are less common.
Im Thinking on some Woodleigh Heavy Duty soft nose round nose for my .375 H&H, they come in the same weight as the Hydros both .300g

Would people here use the Heavy duty over the RN SN or SP.PP????
I’m hoping to hunt buffalo one day and I’m going to get some loads right either way and use it .

I’ll be using Woodleigh protected points in my 416 Rem. I’ll try the 450 grain ones to really knock down big stuff,

Rule 303 · Dec 18, 2019

CBH for heavy thick skinned animals I would use the Woody Heavy duty as Bruce designed these in response to complaints the standard 375cal 300graine projectiles were to soft to use on Buff. I would then go to PP with the higher recommended impact velocity, over the standard round nose. This is in 375 only.

As for testing 300Win and WSM it maybe they are testing for accuracy potential.

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