My personal experience with Paypal Xoom- wiring money for trophies

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I moved to a smaller town in a different State, and no longer can walk into my credit union for wires. Decided to try Xoom. Not a great website, and if you have to exit it to look something up you end up having to redo everything. Signed up, authorized payment, and that evening I got a call from customer service. It started as identity verification, but then the person asked me what I was paying for (this question was not on the website). I told her "taxidermy." She did not understand what that was, so I told her I was paying for shipment of animal trophies taken on safari. She got upset, and asked me if the animals had been killed yet. She clearly thought that I was buying live animals, having someone kill them, and then ship them to me. I did my best to explain that I had hunted four species of antelope legally, the shipment was legal and consistent with CITES and would be inspected by customs and the USFWS. Her response was that this had to go to her supervisor, and she hung up. The next day I got a notice of cancellation from Xoom stating that my transaction had violated their user agreement. Fired up the user agreement and learned that animal trophies are not prohibited. I did get an email that allowed me to appeal the decision. I was diplomatic in the appeal, but pointed out that since I had done nothing apparent to violate their agreement they would need to explain exactly why they were cancelling my transaction. It has been two days with no response. Of course, all day I have been carpet bombed with ads telling me how great Xoom is, and that I should use it all the time for ALL my wire transfers. Their business model bites because the website is hard to use, there is no line to put an invoice or description, and they should have a box to check that you declare that you are not engaged in illegal activity. Punk ass bitches.

Jeff
 
Jeff, I have not heard of Pay pal Zoom until now. But I have used Paypal many times to send money to Pawprint Safaris in the Northwest Province of South Africa, who has a Paypal account. My upcoming hunt is with another outfitter in Limpopo. He doesn't have a Pay Pal account. I wired him money from Bank of America which I have had an account over 20 years. There was a question on that form as to what it was for, which was Day Fees. Have you tried your local bank to wire money? And I should add that I wired money from BA to an Austrian many times all by computer when I was overseas contracting. Let us know what your local bank says.
 
I moved to a smaller town in a different State, and no longer can walk into my credit union for wires. Decided to try Xoom. Not a great website, and if you have to exit it to look something up you end up having to redo everything. Signed up, authorized payment, and that evening I got a call from customer service. It started as identity verification, but then the person asked me what I was paying for (this question was not on the website). I told her "taxidermy." She did not understand what that was, so I told her I was paying for shipment of animal trophies taken on safari. She got upset, and asked me if the animals had been killed yet. She clearly thought that I was buying live animals, having someone kill them, and then ship them to me. I did my best to explain that I had hunted four species of antelope legally, the shipment was legal and consistent with CITES and would be inspected by customs and the USFWS. Her response was that this had to go to her supervisor, and she hung up. The next day I got a notice of cancellation from Xoom stating that my transaction had violated their user agreement. Fired up the user agreement and learned that animal trophies are not prohibited. I did get an email that allowed me to appeal the decision. I was diplomatic in the appeal, but pointed out that since I had done nothing apparent to violate their agreement they would need to explain exactly why they were cancelling my transaction. It has been two days with no response. Of course, all day I have been carpet bombed with ads telling me how great Xoom is, and that I should use it all the time for ALL my wire transfers. Their business model bites because the website is hard to use, there is no line to put an invoice or description, and they should have a box to check that you declare that you are not engaged in illegal activity. Punk ass bitches.

Jeff
Go to a local bank and wire your money!
 
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Primarily Xoom (a division of PayPal) is designed as an inexpensive and fast/convenient way to transfer money or send relatively small amounts of cash directly to people around the world. It competes directly with the much older and more well known Western Union and costs quite a bit less.

Unfortunately this type thing as was experienced with the OP's simple Xoom transfer, has been going on for some time, has many forms and may be an outgrowth of the Patriot Act and other federal administrative powers given to financial institutions allowing them to act with some sort of authority as "junior G Men" in the fight against illegal Drug and Terrorist money transfer and laundering. One of those unintended consequences is the arbitrary use of that power by organizations or individuals which is probably what happened with the Xoom rep "red flagging" that transaction. Naturally, many banks and individuals now think they are some kind of a special agent with power. Lovely! Most banks will send a form to the Feds if they suspect an illicit or illegal money transfer or cash transaction. I found out the threshold for submitting the "suspicious" money/cash transfer form to the Feds is not standardized and can be any amount of cash/money transaction the bank or institution THINKS suspicious. I know a local bank that deems a cash transaction of more than $3000 to be suspicious thus triggering that notification form to the Feds. Most banks use something closer to $9000 to $10000 as the threshold. Really insidious, disturbing stuff!!!
 
I use my local bank and have never had a problem or question. I've wired deposits to my African outfitter for deposits and balances at the end of a hunt and SSI. I have had problems with Paypal not getting money to recipients. I've had to resend a couple times.
 
Primarily Xoom (a division of PayPal) is designed as an inexpensive and fast/convenient way to transfer money or send relatively small amounts of cash directly to people around the world. It competes directly with the much older and more well known Western Union and costs quite a bit less.

Unfortunately this type thing as was experienced with the OP's simple Xoom transfer, has been going on for some time, has many forms and may be an outgrowth of the Patriot Act and other federal administrative powers given to financial institutions allowing them to act with some sort of authority as "junior G Men" in the fight against illegal Drug and Terrorist money transfer and laundering. One of those unintended consequences is the arbitrary use of that power by organizations or individuals which is probably what happened with the Xoom rep "red flagging" that transaction. Naturally, many banks and individuals now think they are some kind of a special agent with power. Lovely! Most banks will send a form to the Feds if they suspect an illicit or illegal money transfer or cash transaction. I found out the threshold for submitting the "suspicious" money/cash transfer form to the Feds is not standardized and can be any amount of cash/money transaction the bank or institution THINKS suspicious. I know a local bank that deems a cash transaction of more than $3000 to be suspicious thus triggering that notification form to the Feds. Most banks use something closer to $9000 to $10000 as the threshold. Really insidious, disturbing stuff!!!


My bank is as the one you discribed. However, my bank also helped me through it, by dividing my payment into 2 separate transactions at a reduced rate per transaction. I was sending payment for taxidermy and shipping. Both payments went through flawelessly.
 
^^ I like your bank!
 
I had same experience with Zoom back in the summer except my transaction was even more benign, it was for raffle tickets ($200 US) in South Africa for a buff hunt altho that info was not asked for nor provided. I don't remember the exact reason why they denied it but I told them to kick rocks and deleted my account.

I too use my bank to SWIFT transfer money from my international hobbies :) `
 
I have used my local bank and USAA without any problems, both sending money for the hunt, taxidermy and shipping.
 
Pardon my mistake of Zoom instead of Xoom. Still haven't heard of it until today.
 
Like the OP, I have also moved and there is not a branch of my bank close to my home or work. So, I searched for an online service to wire money for trips/taxidermy and I settled on TransferWise. I have been using them for about 3 years now and my only issue is that you can't send money to all countries(Zim is one of them). Other than that, no complaints and the costs are comparable to what my bank charges.
 

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