Longer shots 9.3x62

Wyatt Smith · Jul 20, 2019

Thanks for the info, I was just curious what it was. I wonder why federal loads it and not the 9.3x64?

Fastrig · Jul 26, 2019

Hoss Delgado said:
Lefty here
Growing up in the early 1980s , when l was first learning to shoot , we didn't have ANY left Handed bolt action Rifles on the market. That's why l initially had to make do with lever action and pump action rifles for many years , like my old Savage Hi Power Model 99 in .22 Hi Power. But eventually , l learnt how to manipulate a right hand bolt with my left hand , after my Granddad gifted me his .375 HH Magnum Winchester Model 70 . Now , more than thirty years later , when l can finally afford high (er) end custom rifles , l realized that l couldn't operate a left Handed action if my life depended on it . Both my bolt action Rifles now ( .375 HH Magnum and .350 Rigby Magnum , with a third larger caliber one on the way ) are built on right hand actions.
Regarding your range issue , might l suggest a 8 × 68 mm S ? Very flat shooting in my experience even for longer range shots

My dad is the exact opposite, he’s right handed but left eye dominant so he’s a righty that shoots lefty...he shot a Remington pump action 30-06 he bought at the Navy BX after he left the Korean War for the same kind of reasons. He just gave it to me as his hunting days are over now

MS 9x56 · Aug 20, 2020

Fastrig said:
Think the 232 grains are more for white tail and hogs, at least some of the reviews said that was what they were using them for. The 286 grains worked fine for me out to 250-275, but the 250 grains were giving me better groupings at that distance. A gentleman above said his son took large game out to 350. With some time investment at the range I'm sure that's doable, though I'd still prefer to step up to a 300 or 338 win mag at that distance.

The 232 grain Vulcan is my preferred bullet for deer and hogs. Haven't recovered one yet or had any run more than 30 yards.

Tra3 · Aug 20, 2020

I just read this thread and don’t recall seeing a mention of wind drift. A bigger, slower, low BC bullet is going to have quite a bit of drift at 300 yards. Around 5” in a 5mph wind, 10” in a 10 mph and 15” in a 15 mph crosswind. That is a huge difference from something like a .270 win, 7 mag or .300 WM.

bruce moulds · Aug 21, 2020

there is no such thing as wind drift.
there is however wind deflection.
bruce.

BC.Pat · Aug 21, 2020

I have shoot caribou out to about 250 yards with 232 grain Norma Vulkan, the performance was superb.
A great deal of energy transfer from a soft bullet.

Regards
Pat

MS 9x56 · Aug 21, 2020

Fastrig said:
My dad is the exact opposite, he’s right handed but left eye dominant so he’s a righty that shoots lefty...he shot a Remington pump action 30-06 he bought at the Navy BX after he left the Korean War for the same kind of reasons. He just gave it to me as his hunting days are over now

I can sympathize with your Dad as I am left handed but right eye dominant. Took quite a bit of practice to get used to shooting “wrong handed”. Oddly enough now that my granddaughter is shooting we have discovered she has the same affliction. At least for us we could choose from a plethora of right handed guns. Good hunting.

MS 9x56 · Aug 21, 2020

BC.Pat said:
I have shoot caribou out to about 250 yards with 232 grain Norma Vulkan, the performance was superb.
A great deal of energy transfer from a soft bullet.

Regards
Pat

Have you noticed a larger wind deflection than with smaller calibers?

Tim1990 · Aug 21, 2020

Iam using the SAX KJG bullets. They are really great. I dont know if they are in your country available, but i think the Manufacturer here in Germany could tell you

The V0 is 976m/s and they drop -22,9cm on 300m.

I have shot already several animals up to 300m and they worked really great

If you reload them on your own, i think you could make them even a bit stronger

MS 9x56 · Aug 21, 2020

Tim1990 said:
Iam using the SAX KJG bullets. They are really great. I dont know if they are in your country available, but i think the Manufacturer here in Germany could tell you

The V0 is 976m/s and they drop -22,9cm on 300m.

I have shot already several animals up to 300m and they worked really great
If you reload them on your own, i think you could make them even a bit stronger

Welcome to the forum Tim! It is always good to have another perspective here. I must admit I have never encountered that brand of bullet here in US. Are they a cup and lead core or mono metal solid copper bullet?

bruce moulds · Aug 21, 2020

deflection is a function of ballistic coefficient and velocity for the same wind direction and velocity.
no other factors come into it.
bruce.

MS 9x56 said:
Have you noticed a larger wind deflection than with smaller calibers?

TOBY458 · Aug 21, 2020

There is a very simple solution for this....
Buy a second left handed Sako Bavarian in 300 Win Mag. Se there. Problem solved. :Finger:

shootist~ · Aug 21, 2020

I've recently been working with the 250 gr NAB in a 9.3x62. I use "Shooter Ballistics" ($10.00 Cost) software on my phone and have a number of years experience with it. It works well for my purposes.

I shoot the 9.3 out to 325 Yards on occasion and the G1 BC of .494 seems to be close, but could probably be lowered just a hair. The below table is based on my Zero Range of 219 Yards (200 Meters) using a Density Altitude of 5,000 Ft.

Wind Drift - due to the slower velocity is noticeably more than a higher velocity bullet with similar BC, but can be compensated for easily enough.

The hold adjustments below are shown in mils, but I also have the same setup for an MOA based optic.

FWIW, One Mil = 3.438 MOA, or 3.6" at 100 Yards.

Sight Height: 1.76 (in)	Zero Range: 219 (yd)	Barrel Twist: 1:12.0"; Right	Elevation Correction Factor: 1.0	Wind Correction Factor: 1.0
Bullet Diameter: 0.366 (in)	Bullet Weight: 250.0 (gr)	Bullet Length: 1.395 (in)	Muzzle Velocity: 2526.0 (fps)	Atmosphere Std: ICAO	Drag Model: G1	Ballistic Coefs: 0.494 > 0
Altitude: (ft)	Temp: 59.0 (F)	Relative Humidity: 0.0%	Pressure: 0.0 (inHg)	Wind Speed: 5.0 (mph)	Wind Angle: 90.0 (deg)
Target Angle: 0.0 (deg)	Coriolis Effect: N/A	Note: Density Altitude 5,000 Feet

Range (yd)	Path (in)	Path (mils)	Drift (in)	Drift (mils)	Velocity (fps)	Energy (ft-lbs)	TOF (s)
325	-11.3	1	-3.4	0.3	2045.4	2322.4	0.429
300	-7.9	0.7	-2.9	0.3	2079.7	2400.7	0.393
275	-5	0.5	-2.5	0.3	2114.8	2482.5	0.357
250	-2.5	0.3	-2.1	0.2	2149.8	2565.5	0.322
225	-0.6	0.1	-1.7	0.2	2185.3	2650.8	0.288
200	0.9	-0.1	-1.4	0.2	2221.1	2738.4	0.254
175	2	-0.3	-1.1	0.2	2257.3	2828.3	0.22
150	2.6	-0.5	-0.9	0.2	2293.9	2920.7	0.187
125	2.9	-0.6	-0.6	0.1	2330.8	3015.6	0.155
100	2.7	-0.7	-0.4	0.1	2368.1	3112.8	0.123
75	2.1	-0.8	-0.3	0.1	2405.7	3212.6	0.091
50	1.2	-0.7	-0.2	0.1	2443.7	3314.7	0.06
25	-0.1	0.1	-0.1	0.1	2481.9	3419.3	0.03
0	-1.8	0	0	0	2520.5	3526.4	0

Tim1990 · Aug 21, 2020

MS 9x56 said:
Welcome to the forum Tim! It is always good to have another perspective here. I must admit I have never encountered that brand of bullet here in US. Are they a cup and lead core or mono metal solid copper bullet?

Thank you

This bullet is out of copper. The back is solid and the top „explodes“ into 5 big fragments.
Since the back doesn’t deforms it has a really great penetration

shootist~ · Aug 21, 2020

MS 9x56 said:
Have you noticed a larger wind deflection than with smaller calibers?

I wanted to love the 232 gr Norma Vulcan, but the BC is really low (.267) when compared to the 250 NAB AT .494. Wind drift at 325 Yds, compared to my above table, is almost double that of the 250 NAB. And that's starting the Vulkan at 80 fps faster.

For comparison, a 30 cal 180 grain Swift A-Frame has an "OK" BC of .400.

BC.Pat · Aug 21, 2020

MS 9x56 said:
Have you noticed a larger wind deflection than with smaller calibers?

Not Really, in reality its only an issue after about 400 m. Which is in my opinion about the limit of range for that particular round.

bruce moulds · Aug 21, 2020

shootist~ said:
I wanted to love the 232 gr Norma Vulcan, but the BC is really low (.267) when compared to the 250 NAB AT .494. Wind drift at 325 Yds, compared to my above table, is almost double that of the 250 NAB. And that's starting the Vulkan at 80 fps faster.

For comparison, a 30 cal 180 grain Swift A-Frame has an "OK" BC of .400.

wind DEFLECTION
bruce.

Tra3 · Aug 21, 2020

bruce moulds said:
there is no such thing as wind drift.
there is however wind deflection.
bruce.

Thanks for the correction. I guess the terminology depends on if you come from a engineering background or from a sailing background...

I frequently hunt in areas with high wind (Livingston, MT). There is a big difference in deflection when the wind starts getting above 10 mph. It is worth the time to closely study a wind deflection chart if you plan to hunt in the wind.

bruce moulds · Aug 21, 2020

when people actually see what the wind does to bullet flight, buth lateral and vertical, they can be quite shocked.
being in the pits at a palma or fclass shoot shows how it really is.
then relate the bullet strike on the target to say a deer's vital zone and a true picture emerges.
the picture is much worse at the target than from the firing line for the same shot.
bruce.

BC.Pat · Aug 21, 2020

Gentlemen, interesting discussion, but really what distance are you going to be shoot game at?
Whats a ethical distance to be shooting game ? When you determine that distance what effect is wind really going to have?
I shoot distance as well, out to 1 Km. but not with a 9.3, and not hunting.

just my 2 cents

Pat

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