Baby on the way - Looking for GunSafe

The truth is you don't need a gun safe to protect your children, teach them about firearms early and you won't have a problem. However your wife will probably not agree with me so make sure to buy a 20 gun or larger safe. I have 12 gun safe and it only really holds eight guns and it struggles to hold a shotgun.
 
For my last couple I just gave up and hooked up a trailer, latched a set of pallet forks to a skid loader and took the whole works to pick up the safe. Ratchet strapped the safe to the forks to haul it home and just set it in the garage;)
Pallet forks, skid loader, ratchet straps!!!! Only @ActionBob would have these items just lying around......well maybe ratchet straps.
 
A safe for 4 long guns and a bow just won't get it. That new daughter will have a Daisy in about 5 or 6 years, then a .22, then a .243. Not to mention you have a new responsibility now to teach her to shoot and hunt!
 
Congrats on the growth of the family unit! You can start with taking the kids to Disney and then move to taking them on safari! I am still not sure which one cost me more.

Both, the answer is both. Except the taxidermy cost on a mouse isn’t as much as the zebra we are having done for my wife
 
The truth is you don't need a gun safe to protect your children, teach them about firearms early and you won't have a problem. However your wife will probably not agree with me so make sure to buy a 20 gun or larger safe. I have 12 gun safe and it only really holds eight guns and it struggles to hold a shotgun.

I also agree. The deeper safety concerns are from family past experiences with depression. So that mixed with unrestricted access can lead down a dark road.

Proper use and safety are already being told to her through the belly!
 
Keep n mind a safe that advertises holding 24 guns usually holds a lot less in the real world. If you are only putting in shotguns maybe, but once you add large scoped rifles and stocks with cheek pieces the capacity goes down.

^^^^^ This^^^^^

A sixteen gun safe will hold eight to ten scoped hunting rifles with not much room in between them. If you are anal about them touching each other, it will hold six.
 
Liberty fat boy! not as sexy as some but best bang for the buck!
cabelas carries it under another name?
congratulations on the family!
 
Bought a Fort Knox 6637 in 2005.
Ten years later we had to buy another FK6637 because we ran out of room.
So now there is a "his" vault with firearms and "hers" with paperwork...and a few firearms...and ammo.
 
I have a somewhat different take. If you are just looking to keep your guns locked up out of your children’s reach, a cheap safe (actually Residential Security Container) is all you need. If you are wanting to protect your guns from fire and theft, then you want a safe, and not a Residential Security Container. Gruffunder and Brown both make safes. They are not cheap. Fort Knox, Liberty, Browning, etc are all Residential Security Containers.
 
Bought a Fort Knox 6637 in 2005.
Ten years later we had to buy another FK6637 because we ran out of room.
So now there is a "his" vault with firearms and "hers" with paperwork...and a few firearms...and ammo.

JMHO I would not store ammo in a safe.
 
Well a few things.

1. In a fire the gaskets seal the door, if rounds cook off pressure will build in the safe. How bad it could get depends how hot and how fast the temperature goes to in the safe.

2. If rounds cook off in the safe it will do damage to anything inside of the safe. I.E. paperwork, firearms anything can be destroyed. Even if it can vent the pressure fast enough.

YMMV
 
Well a few things.

1. In a fire the gaskets seal the door, if rounds cook off pressure will build in the safe. How bad it could get depends how hot and how fast the temperature goes to in the safe.

2. If rounds cook off in the safe it will do damage to anything inside of the safe. I.E. paperwork, firearms anything can be destroyed. Even if it can vent the pressure fast enough.

YMMV
Same goes for gunpowder. Do NOT store it in a safe. Same reasons.
This is AWESOME!!!
Perfect reason (not an excuse this time) to justify a new vault for ammo alone!

But seriously, thanks guys.
 
I own a safe, I store papers in it and ugly guns I don’t want to see. I think the gun safe trend is flawed risk management and emotion.

1. Do you think you will be robbed? No, you don’t. If you were, take the insurance money as you’d buy differently if you started over.

2. You do not want to own guns that were in a burnt fire safe....trashed. You want a full loss.

3. Ammo in a safe? Not good.

What I do as a parent:

Bought a combopad door knob, all hunting ammo is in a locked closet on shelves.

Many rooms away guns are in display cases and racks in another keypad doorknob locked room.

You want to keep guns and ammo from coming together and you want both to have controlled access. Gun safes aren’t able to address both points (unless you buy 2) and they are small, heavy, expensive, and harm you in a fire loss because you may not get your ruined guns replaced if they “look” okay to an adjuster.
 
I own a safe, I store papers in it and ugly guns I don’t want to see. I think the gun safe trend is flawed risk management and emotion.

1. Do you think you will be robbed? No, you don’t. If you were, take the insurance money as you’d buy differently if you started over.

2. You do not want to own guns that were in a burnt fire safe....trashed. You want a full loss.

3. Ammo in a safe? Not good.

What I do as a parent:

Bought a combopad door knob, all hunting ammo is in a locked closet on shelves.

Many rooms away guns are in display cases and racks in another keypad doorknob locked room.

You want to keep guns and ammo from coming together and you want both to have controlled access. Gun safes aren’t able to address both points (unless you buy 2) and they are small, heavy, expensive, and harm you in a fire loss because you may not get your ruined guns replaced if they “look” okay to an adjuster.


You might want to check with you'r insurance agent. Mine told me it would not be cost effective to cover my guns.
as it is additional coverage not covered by most home owners policies. He suggested I buy a safe.
 
You might want to check with you'r insurance agent. Mine told me it would not be cost effective to cover my guns.
as it is additional coverage not covered by most home owners policies. He suggested I buy a safe.

So here's some unofficial facts about insurance.

Homeowners coverage allows you to schedule items at stupid expensive money, about 100 basis points to 150 basis points per year. (translation, $100,000 gun coverage $1500 a year) Add to that, you'll be suprised the claims adjusters will shaft you on value. Add to that, the deductibles will be high. Add to that, a claim for a $10k gun loss will probably jack your homeowners rates by $500 a year.

The next option by smarter insurance agents is to write you an inland marine policy. Cost is 85 to 100 basis points...still expensive. Still bad claims adjustments. Still big deductibles.

Third option is to use Eastern Insurance's fine firearms insurance. $500 deductible. $100,000 coverage is really cheap. I think I pay $180 a year. I had a shipping damage incident. They paid out a large sum immediately with reasonable paperwork. They even allowed me to buy back the gun from them at then FMV. Further, they don't require you to schedule and declare any gun unless it costs more than $10,000. Thus, 99.99% of guns are worth $9999, but their cases are $2000, the optics are $3000 the accessories are $1500, the scope mounts are $500, the ammo is $5000....you have a loss, all those items are unscheduled and you file a legitimate claim for a $22,000 "gun package" loss if that is legitimately what the whole package is worth.

Google Eastern Insurance / Hanover Fine Firearms Insurance.
 
So here's some unofficial facts about insurance.

Homeowners coverage allows you to schedule items at stupid expensive money, about 100 basis points to 150 basis points per year. (translation, $100,000 gun coverage $1500 a year) Add to that, you'll be suprised the claims adjusters will shaft you on value. Add to that, the deductibles will be high. Add to that, a claim for a $10k gun loss will probably jack your homeowners rates by $500 a year.

The next option by smarter insurance agents is to write you an inland marine policy. Cost is 85 to 100 basis points...still expensive. Still bad claims adjustments. Still big deductibles.

Third option is to use Eastern Insurance's fine firearms insurance. $500 deductible. $100,000 coverage is really cheap. I think I pay $180 a year. I had a shipping damage incident. They paid out a large sum immediately with reasonable paperwork. They even allowed me to buy back the gun from them at then FMV. Further, they don't require you to schedule and declare any gun unless it costs more than $10,000. Thus, 99.99% of guns are worth $9999, but their cases are $2000, the optics are $3000 the accessories are $1500, the scope mounts are $500, the ammo is $5000....you have a loss, all those items are unscheduled and you file a legitimate claim for a $22,000 "gun package" loss if that is legitimately what the whole package is worth.

Google Eastern Insurance / Hanover Fine Firearms Insurance.


Great info thanks!
 
Leave your guns out where someone can steal them, play with them or damage them. If you don't take precautions and your firearm is used in a crime, or is used by someone who accidentally shoots another, get ready to spend your life savings on an attorney.

rookhawk, post: 534454, member: 21354"]I own a safe, I store papers in it and ugly guns I don’t want to see. I think the gun safe trend is flawed risk management and emotion.

1. Do you think you will be robbed? No, you don’t. If you were, take the insurance money as you’d buy differently if you started over.

You'll need that insurance money and more if your firearm is used in a crime.

2. You do not want to own guns that were in a burnt fire safe....trashed. You want a full loss.

Better a burnt safe and trashed guns than left outside for someone to get one, load it and accidentally shoot another person.
Happens on a regular basis.

3. Ammo in a safe? Not good.

Agree

What I do as a parent:

Bought a combopad door knob, all hunting ammo is in a locked closet on shelves.

Combo door pad? Big guy with a strong leg and it's history.

Many rooms away guns are in display cases and racks in another keypad doorknob locked room.

You want to keep guns and ammo from coming together and you want both to have controlled access. Gun safes aren’t able to address both points (unless you buy 2) and they are small, heavy, expensive, and harm you in a fire loss because you may not get your ruined guns replaced if they “look” okay to an adjuster.


Buy a safe and sleep easy at night.
 

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